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Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#21 - 2017-01-20 08:50:25 UTC
Shu t'Me wrote:


Then just pick however many parts you need out of the resulting filtered list.

Yeah, I know it's rocket surgery, but it does work.


Briliant! now try doing this for 10 times for for each build set each of them containing 20+ bpcs.
so your method only requires to set filters 199 times... lol

like I wrote before... you must me a masochist to do this and not try to find a better way.
Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#22 - 2017-01-20 08:54:35 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Would you like there to be even one single tradeoff to your utterly risk free blueprint hauling taxiceptor?

What does risk-free intercepter-hauling have to do with this proposal? He's not proposing affecting the risk of hauling in an interceptor, he is talking about arranging objects in frigate cargoholds.


see... this guy knows what Im talking about. thx

the risk is the same as with hauling all the bpos directly in the cargohold. its just the simple fact of having them organised.
oh and a downside? probably like 200 units of trit required to build the cases.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#23 - 2017-01-20 09:03:14 UTC
Ji7 Aldard wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Would you like there to be even one single tradeoff to your utterly risk free blueprint hauling taxiceptor?

What does risk-free intercepter-hauling have to do with this proposal? He's not proposing affecting the risk of hauling in an interceptor, he is talking about arranging objects in frigate cargoholds.


see... this guy knows what Im talking about. thx

the risk is the same as with hauling all the bpos directly in the cargohold. its just the simple fact of having them organised.
oh and a downside? probably like 200 units of trit required to build the cases.



except the reward is now higher as it gains you connivance

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#24 - 2017-01-20 09:09:04 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:


except the reward is now higher as it gains you connivance


OK... lets do it your way... lets make the game as miserable as we can.. from now on how about we controll all the modules on the ship thu a command line.

dude stop for a while and think of what you are trying to achieve here.


p.s.: by the time we are discussing this simple modification that doesnt realy affect the game mechanics just adds connivance... a programer would have the change done two times over... including a coffe break
Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#25 - 2017-01-20 09:15:35 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I really don't see any downside to this suggestion. Question: Would you be able to password-protect or otherwise lock these cases like standard containers, deploy them in space, etc.?


I havent realy thought about this but its just a case not a vault so I would say no protection what so ever... if you realy want to lock the content then use the existing secure container. my proposal is simply about being able to organise not make safer.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#26 - 2017-01-20 09:15:44 UTC
except it doesn't really make the game all that easier. You make it sound like BP organization is this huge nightmare headache. its not.

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#27 - 2017-01-20 09:20:43 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
except it doesn't really make the game all that easier. You make it sound like BP organization is this huge nightmare headache. its not.


I always love it when people with theyre 100 bpos say this ^^ so cute...

also you obviously dont know anythihng about OCD :D
Lugh Crow-Slave
#28 - 2017-01-20 09:24:38 UTC
O.o i have several thousand BPOs and BPCs just in the alliance HQ station



you mental issues are no ones concerns but your own

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#29 - 2017-01-20 09:51:46 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
O.o i have several thousand BPOs and BPCs just in the alliance HQ station


ah.. now I can see why you have no idea about what Im talking about :)
you cant understand this when you have your few BPs hidden in your station. Im sorry.


Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
you mental issues are no ones concerns but your own


how ruthless of you... nobody loves me... lol
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2017-01-20 17:48:10 UTC
Ji7 Aldard wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Would you like there to be even one single tradeoff to your utterly risk free blueprint hauling taxiceptor?

What does risk-free intercepter-hauling have to do with this proposal? He's not proposing affecting the risk of hauling in an interceptor, he is talking about arranging objects in frigate cargoholds.


see... this guy knows what Im talking about. thx

the risk is the same as with hauling all the bpos directly in the cargohold. its just the simple fact of having them organised.
oh and a downside? probably like 200 units of trit required to build the cases.


I'm of the opinion that the invulnerable taxiceptor needs to be nerfed into the ground, not buffed even in minor ways like this.

Hard lock a 2.01 second align time minimum, and make that seriously hard to achieve. Then you can have your case.
Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#31 - 2017-01-20 17:57:56 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:

I'm of the opinion that the invulnerable taxiceptor needs to be nerfed into the ground, not buffed even in minor ways like this.


I never mentioned a thing about ceptors nor anything about increasing the security of hauling with them. not that the case can increase it in any way.
if someone wants to haul with a ceptor having or not having the case will not change that. get over it and take your ceptor rant somewhere else.

Danika Princip wrote:
Then you can have your case.


when you have CCP infront of your name then we can talk about conditions. thank you and goodbye.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2017-01-20 18:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Ji7 Aldard wrote:
the problem with existing containers is they are still too large for BPOs/BPCs

120m3 = 12000 blueprints

now imagine you want to get 10 build sets for different things and you dont want to bpcs to get mixed.... now you have to fly an industrial to cary the 1000m3 the small containers take up. also you cant load small containers on a freighter.. so you would have to use 10000m3 cans for blueprints..... or you can just mix them in and spend the next hour spliting the stacks when you get then to your destinatin.


and TBH... I play to have fun and not bo be sorting documents... I get enough of that at work. and as many still not understand, this is a game not a second unpayed job :D


I don't understand the problem. How is it possible for a can to be too big, unless you're trying to haul huge numbers of blueprints in an interceptor?

And...I don't own a freighter, why can't you use small cans in one? (Personally, I move mine in a DST or a blockade runner. 1000m3 is not a big ask for anyone with halfway decent industrial skills.)



i'm just as confused as you. having had to handle large numbers of alliance level bops and bpc through several large moves i have never had an issue


Also confused. I do lots of invention so I have cans for BPOs and BPCs. No problem. Need to find a particular BPC, use the search function or open the industry window and point it to the relevant can. Since invention requires lots of other Stuff™ I often move everything at once in a JF....if I need to move. But I could easily move all those BPOs/BPCs in a viator or crane.

And to be clear, I dump all the BPOs in one can, all the BPCs in one can. If you want a can for each BPO item...okay, but that seems just a tad compulsive to me.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2017-01-20 18:30:33 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I really don't see any downside to this suggestion. Question: Would you be able to password-protect or otherwise lock these cases like standard containers, deploy them in space, etc.?


The downside is the opportunity cost--i.e. time spent developing this idea and putting it in game vs. doing something else with that dev time.

Is this needed? I have never had an issue finding BPCs or BPOs for installing jobs with the search function and the industry window. Granted, I'm just one guy...but we have 2 also wondering why this is needed.

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Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#34 - 2017-01-20 18:33:59 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:

Also confused. I do lots of invention so I have cans for BPOs and BPCs. No problem. Need to find a particular BPC, use the search function or open the industry window and point it to the relevant can. Since invention requires lots of other Stuff™ I often move everything at once in a JF....if I need to move. But I could easily move all those BPOs/BPCs in a viator or crane.

And to be clear, I dump all the BPOs in one can, all the BPCs in one can. If you want a can for each BPO item...okay, but that seems just a tad compulsive to me.


if you need to put each build set to someone else its not a valid option to dump all of the bpcs in one can is it...

sure I have a can with 1000 bpos as well but those are not the ones I need to redistribute
Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#35 - 2017-01-20 18:37:48 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I really don't see any downside to this suggestion. Question: Would you be able to password-protect or otherwise lock these cases like standard containers, deploy them in space, etc.?


The downside is the opportunity cost--i.e. time spent developing this idea and putting it in game vs. doing something else with that dev time.

Is this needed? I have never had an issue finding BPCs or BPOs for installing jobs with the search function and the industry window. Granted, I'm just one guy...but we have 2 also wondering why this is needed.


how long does it take to make a new item? few minutes? CCP can afford to waste time on dumb so called "special edition commodities" that dont ever have a function... plus this is a copy and paste job.. take an existing can, change the volume and rename the item.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#36 - 2017-01-20 19:41:46 UTC
As I have said before m, and as has been stated by many other people. EVE needs a better inventory system all around. It would be better to have something like a mail account folders or computer drive folders. It needs filters as well that can be attached on a per folder bases.

Same thing with corp hangers.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#37 - 2017-01-20 20:18:00 UTC
Ji7 Aldard wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:

Also confused. I do lots of invention so I have cans for BPOs and BPCs. No problem. Need to find a particular BPC, use the search function or open the industry window and point it to the relevant can. Since invention requires lots of other Stuff™ I often move everything at once in a JF....if I need to move. But I could easily move all those BPOs/BPCs in a viator or crane.

And to be clear, I dump all the BPOs in one can, all the BPCs in one can. If you want a can for each BPO item...okay, but that seems just a tad compulsive to me.


if you need to put each build set to someone else its not a valid option to dump all of the bpcs in one can is it...

sure I have a can with 1000 bpos as well but those are not the ones I need to redistribute



m8 for this just set up filters

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#38 - 2017-01-20 20:19:21 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
As I have said before m, and as has been stated by many other people. EVE needs a better inventory system all around. It would be better to have something like a mail account folders or computer drive folders. It needs filters as well that can be attached on a per folder bases.

Same thing with corp hangers.




......


whats wrong with the current filters



and nested folders are something the database doesn't handle well

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Ji7 Aldard
Shield Nation
Rising Dominion
#39 - 2017-01-20 20:40:47 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:


m8 for this just set up filters


are you even reading the posts? because it doesnt look like it... here let me find you the previous suggestion about filters.

Ji7 Aldard wrote:
Shu t'Me wrote:


Then just pick however many parts you need out of the resulting filtered list.

Yeah, I know it's rocket surgery, but it does work.


Briliant! now try doing this for 10 times for for each build set each of them containing 20+ bpcs.
so your method only requires to set filters 199 times... lol

like I wrote before... you must me a masochist to do this and not try to find a better way.


granted I did the math on it again and you only need to set it 180 times... still its insane

filters simply dont fix this
Lugh Crow-Slave
#40 - 2017-01-20 21:00:26 UTC
but once you set up the filters you never have to do it again. 180 filters isn't all that much and then you never need containers again

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble