EVE New Citizens Q&A

Yes a ship can be one shot killed, and no it does not hurt the pod; https://youtu.be/oTOMRee6wXo that that moros had probably a million EHP and a pod has ~500 EHP so if it spilled over he would have been very very very very dead. At the same time the one shot kills do not need to be that exessive. I have recently taken to flying a kestral in frigate gangs and I landed on an arbitrator at 8 kilometers and got pretty much alpha'd by his flight of hobgoblin 2s and my pod took no damage. Fit wise I am fairly new but obsessively look at fittings and so can tell you it depends on what you are doing with the cruiser. As a low skill player in a blaster moa 300 dps is what I can get with a tank of about 35k and a minute of cap life but that is because it is a tackle fit and I have a microwarp drive; it's cap stable with that turned off. The tank you need is situational; you need a lot less tank with your HML Caracal at 60 kilometers then you do in your blaster moa orbiting at 500 meters. For the venture I tend to just put a medium shield extender on so I have a buffer and warp out if I have problems (or I see anything on D-scan because I live in a wormhole and am a massive coward when it comes to anything that can covert ops cloak) my merlin fit does 100 dps with faction antimatter, costs around 2 million isk and has about 4500 buffer tank with no active and scram/web.

Anyway, the reason I asked was because I made a Venture fit with a hilariously annoying 1.7s shield regen time. LOL

Wow, you spent 7x the cost of the ship for the fittings.

Frigates (small ships really) get a huge "resistance" to the damage dealt by big (battleship, and cruiser to an extent) weapons. So you typically tank your frigate sufficiently to deal with frigate / destroyer sized threats, and rely on propulsion modules (AB, MWD) and not standing still when attacked by bigger ships. Furthermore, for non-combat ships, the best defense is not being there (so, basically, avoid the situation with proper use of d-scan and awareness).

Cruisers get some damage resistance if attacked by battleships, but battleships aren't that popular in small fleet PVP due to their lack of mobility. But you're still looking at tanking the cruiser vs. similar-sized (cruisers, battlecruisers, T2 cruisers, T3). It's harder because there is a HUGE variety of cruiser-sized hulls, and they don't just use weapons (for straight DPS), you have to account for electronic warfare, logistics support, cloaked mobility, etc. Thus, pure tank isn't as good a strategy as "do whatever you undocked for effectively and in a timely manner so you can leave the area and not be a sitting duck".

PVP isn't PVE. You don't spend an hour fighting through wave after wave, hoping your armor will hold. Though there are some PVP videos where 1 guy soloes 8-10 people, the 8-10 make glaring mistakes to allow the 1 to win, really.

Nah. Haven't actually made it yet. I've looked at its specs tho in the simulator and in all sorts of other fitting tools out there.
Learned that from buying a drone for 40x the reasonable value and realizing that I couldn't use it anyway. I was very sad that day... until someone offered to trade me a lot to help me get my Moa hull... in exchange for that very drone xD

not true


stop listening to that friend,
in fact, shoot that friend in the face (in game obviously)
there are hordes (literal hordes) of alphas out in null sec.

this is a quick way to get borde of eve

There's no way to "master" the finer tactics of PVP except doing it. And Alpha is the best time to start getting this experience.

Don't fly into the same situation repeatedly (expecting different results), but losing cheap ships repeatedly in order to learn tricks is better than waiting years to train up to capitals and then undocking into your first fight.



1. Buy 10 mil cruiser.
2. Spend another 10 mil on appropriate fittings.
3. Keep the remaining 60 mil in your wallet.
4. ???
5. Profit. Or at least the opposite of "any little error = utterly obliterated".

If you never PvP you will never gain any experience at PvP and you theoretically could wind up a vet of 10 years with a character that has nearly 200 Million skill points and still get "vaporized". Michael Phelps didn't win a gold medal the first time that he jumped into a pool and you won't ever be good at PvP in this game if you don't at first suck.

If you don't look at your opponents in this game as valuable teachers then you won't have the stomach to make it very long.

I think that the difference with Eve is that many people come here from other games with respawn mechanics. In Eve death is more harsh and it makes the losses more meaningful than a run back from the graveyard or picking which spawn point that you are going back in at. That combined with the fact that in other games you can get "lucky" kills here and there so you don't feel like a total noob.

In Eve you need to get good at the game before you can even hope to not be the first to loose your ship. If you can get ok with that then you'lld do fine here. And a word of advice you don't need to front all of the costs of PvP losses. There are plenty of new player friendly corps out there that either give free ships or have some sort of SRP.


If you were "half afk mining" you can't complain about getting blown up and system sec has nothing to do with that. Not sure what you mean by "worthwhile" but no ship in this game is any better than any other ship. Each ship has it's use. Everything in this game is situational.

As far as your question about fitting...

High alpha is typically bad in PvE. Overkill is wasted dps. With the artilery example that Ralph used you'd want to go with 1200s instead of 1400s or 650s over 720s for the mediums.

You never want to be more than 34% cap stable if it can be avoided be cause it's a waste. Lazor boats you typically don't even want cap stable because it's near impossible to have 100% up time on your lazors. In PvP your only consideration to cap should be with how many reloads that you have for your cap booster.

As far as dps goes typically more is better but you want to aim for actual dps and not paper dps which means that sometimes it's better to fit a tracking mod over a strait out damage boost like a gyro a BCU or mag stab.

In short too much tank is not a good thing and too much damage does not exist. Just keep in mind we are talking about actual damage so a prop mod can help with damage application. Also most of your incoming damage can be avoided with piloting.

Well, if you're tired of reading generic advice / platitudes from us, post your (intended) fittings to get specific advice for your cruiser.

I think it would be best to give you a "basic" PvP fit for a Moa and simply go through it blow-by-blow.

[Moa, Basic PvP]
Damage Control I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Co-Processor I

Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 200
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 200
50MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier I

Heavy Electron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

3x Warrior I

Stats (with no skills applied):

- deals ~130 Damage per Second (~300 damage per volley)
- has ~8500 effective hitpoints
- boosts (see: regenerates) ~150 hp every second
- flies at about ~190 meters a second (~1000 m/sec with the Microwarpdrive on)


Notes:

- The Damage Control is there to boost your shields, armor, and hull's resistance to damage.

- The Magnetic Field Stabilizers are there to boost the firing rate (and damage) of your weapons.

- The Co-Processor is there to add to your ships' CPU pool (because those shield boosters require A LOT of CPU).

- Use Shield boosters if you are solo and want a way to repair damage. In a gang, you will want to trade these in for a Large Shield Extender (to boost your ship's raw shield HP) and an Invulnerability Field (to increase your ship's ability to resist damage).
---------- The reason for wanting different tanking modules for different situations is simple; when fighting other groups of people, your ability to regenerate damage is going to be fairly pointless. You boosters can only cope with so much, past that, you are a dead man.
It is better to beef up your ship so it can last longer against more damage in the short amount of time you are alive.
For very small gang and solo work, you can pick and choose engagements better (because you have less people attracting less attention). So you can use a shield booster for it.
That said... buffer tank is preferred for PvP beginners as there is a lot to learn. So keep it simple.

- MWDs are pretty much mandatory in PvP. That 500% speed boost can mean the difference between capturing a target or GTFO if the situation turns for the worst.
An Afterburner is extremely situational and does have its uses.

- Warp Scramblers and Stasis Webifier: You need these because you can't kill what you can't pin.
They also help in defensive situations when there is a target that is WAY too close for comfort.

- Blasters: High damage, but poor range. It is tempting to think that you can simply stick with railguns and use range to "plink" away at targets... but the reality is that you need to have incredible range control (see: speed) to do this properly... which is something the Moa simply doesn't have at lower skill levels.
Also... you want to have the ability to kill targets quickly before they call for help.

- Drones: PvP ships by-and-large use Warrior drones as they have the best top speed. Most use them to swat away small, fast frigates.
Be careful that the target you send them against doesn't kill them.



With the fit I have provided you, you will be vulnerable against certain ships that specialize in one-shotting targets (see: the Tornado that Ralph mentioned above).
However, it should provide some nominal flexibility to experiment in PvP.
Do not be afraid of modifying the fit accordingly... but always keep it cheap until you know what you are doing.

And if you are really having trouble... consider asking the people who killed you for advice and assistance (politely).
Or join a PvP organization!
If you show "moxy" then you may be given a stack of cheapo ships and told to "go wild."

Remember... at this point in the game, you have relatively little to lose.

[Moa, Little Shoota]
Reactor Control Unit I
Reactor Control Unit I
Photonic Upgraded Co-Processor
Photonic Upgraded Co-Processor

Shield Boost Amplifier I
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 200
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 200
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery

250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Lead Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Hobgoblin I x2
Hornet I x1
That's what I've got for a Moa so far.

8.5mins of cap life, ~1.2km/s, 125 DPS, 599 damage a volley, and can soak 400 EHP of shield dmg vs Guristas (Cuz Guristas have a kinetic/thermal distribution, a lot like newbie Caldari's) in a second. Pretty sure the tank is a bit overkill, as it takes 3 mid slots, but hey.

And no, I'm not taking that battery out. The whole fit is built around it.

New fit, using blasters, after I looked at various builds (Noting what you guys said with your fits, tweaking them and so on) posted here, I came up with this:

[Moa, Moa]
Mark I Compact Reactor Control Unit
Mark I Compact Reactor Control Unit
Mark I Compact Reactor Control Unit
Mark I Compact Reactor Control Unit

Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 200
Warp Disruptor I
50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery

Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I

Hobgoblin I x3

204 DPS. 211 EHP/s vs a uniform distribution. 12k EHP vs uniform distribution. 3.5mins with everything enabled, stable at 63% without MWD. ~900 damage a volley.

Toyed with a Webifier vs the warp disruptor, but the warp disruptor had better range and it disables MWD's and jumping. Which means that they're stuck slowboating at ~1.1km/s or less. Math'd it out vs a Merlin with both an MWD and an afterburner. Even though that isn't possible.