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Can we get an all V option for the test server?

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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#1 - 2017-01-17 15:36:51 UTC
Since its the TEST server, would it be possible to get a all V option for chars so that we can test out ships we cant fly and similar stuff? This would also help testing of new skill intensive ships.

Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#2 - 2017-01-17 18:10:47 UTC
Or seed injectors for 100isk at markets.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#3 - 2017-01-17 19:57:15 UTC
The TEST server is named TEST server so that the developers TEST things on SiSi long before they screw up TQ.

It was never intended for us to TEST anything, nor are we guaranteed to have access to it at all times. Yes, it helps to try out stuff on SiSi and I do that a lot when I need to test a theory of mine or try out a new fitting for being under pressure.

We did have an all V and all modules - yes even the purple mods - seeded on Solace. Solace is now known as Tranquility.

Having recently finished fighters V, I feel your pain but why is it important to train titan 5 and fly a titan all day?

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#4 - 2017-01-18 02:28:52 UTC
If they implemented this option it would actually hurt testing, as it is important to see how things work without all V and pretty much no-one would be testing that anymore, everyone would hit the all V button.

This is what the SP rewards for mass tests are for.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#5 - 2017-01-18 06:43:26 UTC
Why? Because people theory craft ships based on all level 5. But we know that looking at something on paper is different to actually flying it. And people want a 'flight simulator' where they can test anything out. Well sisi is that.

I'd be surprised if the main reason people went to public tests was to get the sp boosts. They tend to be small boosts and are only temporary. I obviously don't want people to stop turning up for them though.

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Mala Zvitorepka
Karthen-Woight
#6 - 2017-01-18 09:49:02 UTC
I believe the issue would be that tons would simply just keep skilling on TQ and actually play on sisi. Or even have alpha acc and play there with everything unlocked.
Plus it takes just one screwup coding this, and everyone that tested on sisi would have everything trained on TQ.

Unless sisi would get opened just for a week before a next patch - then I could see the value in testing with all-5 to see whether a new ship, module or whatever is too good or nearly useless.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#7 - 2017-01-18 10:09:04 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
The TEST server is named TEST server so that the developers TEST things on SiSi long before they screw up TQ.

It was never intended for us to TEST anything, nor are we guaranteed to have access to it at all times. Yes, it helps to try out stuff on SiSi and I do that a lot when I need to test a theory of mine or try out a new fitting for being under pressure.

We did have an all V and all modules - yes even the purple mods - seeded on Solace. Solace is now known as Tranquility.

Having recently finished fighters V, I feel your pain but why is it important to train titan 5 and fly a titan all day?


No they dont, they have internal servers for that (afaik), the test server is there so the players can mass test things for the developers. Such as a new ship, that gets released on sisi pre-tq so the masses can play it and test and and spot stuff that doesnt work.And if they now were to release t3 bs with a 1 year skill time no one really couild test is.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2017-01-18 10:30:29 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
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No they dont, they have internal servers for that (afaik), the test server is there so the players can mass test things for the developers. Such as a new ship, that gets released on sisi pre-tq so the masses can play it and test and and spot stuff that doesnt work.And if they now were to release t3 bs with a 1 year skill time no one really couild test is.


They do but they do very often put it on SiSi and take our comments in 6-C local or ask us for helping them out. They do hang out in their private test solar system - Polaris.

They can make themselves invisible in local and sometimes they come to 6-C and say hi. Once after a masstest they spawned all officers and some drifters in 6-C just to make us all explode.

All I am saying is and I quote "is not guaranteed that we have access all the time". Ask CCP Habakuk. A couple of friends that I made and I have been frequent visitors on SiSi for over a decade now.

Of course they want us to try out new things before TQ gets it, to see if we like if or break it somehow. For that occasion we do get the books or skills needed to take a look.

If you would put an all V option on the table it would take less than a minute to become mandatory and you have an all V online situation on SiSi from that day until the end of time.

If you are wondering, EFT and Pyfa are able to that for you.

Even if you won't believe me, I am training skills for about 10 years now. I do not need lobotomy sticks to "proceed". I can just wait.

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Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#9 - 2017-01-18 10:44:34 UTC
CCP Goliath has previously said they don't want to do that.

From memory it was about ensuring diversity in testing on the server by players when new things have been introduced. Logs provide CCP with valuable feedback, not just player comment; and is thought that if everyone had the all V option, the diversity in testing would be reduced, as everyone would fly best fits, Titans and other capitals, etc.

That would lose them what they gain from people using their actual skills.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2017-01-18 10:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: tiberiusric
elitatwo wrote:
The TEST server is named TEST server so that the developers TEST things on SiSi long before they screw up TQ.

It was never intended for us to TEST anything, nor are we guaranteed to have access to it at all times. Yes, it helps to try out stuff on SiSi and I do that a lot when I need to test a theory of mine or try out a new fitting for being under pressure.

We did have an all V and all modules - yes even the purple mods - seeded on Solace. Solace is now known as Tranquility.

Having recently finished fighters V, I feel your pain but why is it important to train titan 5 and fly a titan all day?



oh god stop being so miserable.. Jesus. the fact is you cant test some items or other skills unless you have level 5. When new ships and items come out a lot of people cannot test them or get involved in mass testing. Sometimes people want to see if its worth training for something before wasting weeks and months to level 5. this list goes on.

it is a test server to help both player and CCP in the end. its not giving people advantages etc. I would love to see the option to auto add skills levels and i dont mean auto level 5 but say instatrain a level 4 or 3 skill etc. In fact that would probably be easier to code into, just by pass the calculation training time.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#11 - 2017-01-18 11:03:27 UTC
if everyone is all V on the test server it becomes less likely for skill based bugs to be noticed b4 they hit tq
sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#12 - 2017-01-18 11:14:39 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No they dont, they have internal servers for that (afaik), the test server is there so the players can mass test things for the developers. Such as a new ship, that gets released on sisi pre-tq so the masses can play it and test and and spot stuff that doesnt work.And if they now were to release t3 bs with a 1 year skill time no one really couild test is.


you're a 2011 character surely you wouldnt even need a month at most to train into a t3 bs to skill lvl4 which is more than likely over what they'd require for you to fly it.

tiberiusric wrote:
oh god stop being so miserable.. Jesus. the fact is you cant test some items or other skills unless you have level 5. When new ships and items come out a lot of people cannot test them or get involved in mass testing. Sometimes people want to see if its worth training for something before wasting weeks and months to level 5. this list goes on.


Maybe its because its focused more towards players with more experience who can actually give better advice due to that. would you trust changes being requested on said item or ship from a player whose only been playing for a few months and barely knows how to fit their own ship?
Lugh Crow-Slave
#13 - 2017-01-18 13:18:36 UTC
sci0gon wrote:
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
No they dont, they have internal servers for that (afaik), the test server is there so the players can mass test things for the developers. Such as a new ship, that gets released on sisi pre-tq so the masses can play it and test and and spot stuff that doesnt work.And if they now were to release t3 bs with a 1 year skill time no one really couild test is.


you're a 2011 character surely you wouldnt even need a month at most to train into a t3 bs to skill lvl4 which is more than likely over what they'd require for you to fly it.

tiberiusric wrote:
oh god stop being so miserable.. Jesus. the fact is you cant test some items or other skills unless you have level 5. When new ships and items come out a lot of people cannot test them or get involved in mass testing. Sometimes people want to see if its worth training for something before wasting weeks and months to level 5. this list goes on.


Maybe its because its focused more towards players with more experience who can actually give better advice due to that. would you trust changes being requested on said item or ship from a player whose only been playing for a few months and barely knows how to fit their own ship?




not to mention when they do release new stuff or new mechanics for stuff and CCP feels that they need more players testing it they will give out enough skill injectors for that. like with the DD changes they gave skill injectors and titans to all players to test it
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#14 - 2017-01-18 16:28:12 UTC
Mala Zvitorepka wrote:
I believe the issue would be that tons would simply just keep skilling on TQ and actually play on sisi. Or even have alpha acc and play there with everything unlocked.
Plus it takes just one screwup coding this, and everyone that tested on sisi would have everything trained on TQ.

Unless sisi would get opened just for a week before a next patch - then I could see the value in testing with all-5 to see whether a new ship, module or whatever is too good or nearly useless.


No they wouldn't.

Try doing that. See what happens.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
#15 - 2017-01-18 17:37:41 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
[not to mention when they do release new stuff or new mechanics for stuff and CCP feels that they need more players testing it they will give out enough skill injectors for that. like with the DD changes they gave skill injectors and titans to all players to test it


Was there for that mass test, was pretty amusing but I miss the old DD and dodging them. It just got silly back t hen when people had enough titans fielded to dd a cap fleet off the field.