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ISK making methods with 300m

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adepse Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-01-16 19:31:02 UTC
I haven't played in a pretty long time and just made a new alpha clone character and transferred the money from my old character. I was wondering what are some good ISK making methods for someone with around 300 million starting ISK. Keep in mind ill have only limited alpha clone skills and ships. I've been doing exploration and made some good money but i'm wondering if there is anything better or easier to do.
Thanks!
Memphis Baas
#2 - 2017-01-16 19:32:21 UTC
adepse Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2017-01-16 20:12:46 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:

ty!
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2017-01-16 21:49:17 UTC
We get these types of questions all the time here in the NC Q&A and very often it is from players who have tried the game previously and sometimes had several previous gos at it.

I would like to suggest that if you are trying to figure out how to make the most amount of isk that might be why you left the first time. This is a game and focusing on ways to make fake money is a good way to turn a game into a job. If you keep chasing after the best ways to make isk my bet is that you won't last this time either.

I would recommend that you try different stuff out and do what you enjoy doing and not focus on the isk.

Of course it's your game and you can play it your way, I just wanted to point out that if you wind up leaving again it might not be the game's fault.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#5 - 2017-01-17 15:54:33 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:


I don't believe that in the least. I'm assuming he's counting only time on site, not time to reship, fly to the next site, sell it on the market, etc. People exaggerate numbers like that all the time.
Lena Crews
Cynosural Edge
#6 - 2017-01-17 16:11:00 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
We get these types of questions all the time here in the NC Q&A and very often it is from players who have tried the game previously and sometimes had several previous gos at it.

I would like to suggest that if you are trying to figure out how to make the most amount of isk that might be why you left the first time. This is a game and focusing on ways to make fake money is a good way to turn a game into a job. If you keep chasing after the best ways to make isk my bet is that you won't last this time either.

I would recommend that you try different stuff out and do what you enjoy doing and not focus on the isk.

Of course it's your game and you can play it your way, I just wanted to point out that if you wind up leaving again it might not be the game's fault.



Many view isk as a way of keeping score... to show if you're "winning" or "losing" the game.

Many (like you) don't really care about "winning"... they just want to do activities they find enjoyable.

I fall in the middle somewhere. I want to make isk... seeing the wallet tick up does give me a warm fuzzy feeling. But I'm not going to do stuff I don't like in order to make it go up either.
Hakawai
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-01-17 19:27:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakawai
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:


I don't believe that in the least. I'm assuming he's counting only time on site, not time to reship, fly to the next site, sell it on the market, etc. People exaggerate numbers like that all the time.

Indeed.

The only way to make that kind of income is to get boosted by well established players.

I made around 60 million in an hour once at about 30 days into EVE. It was because I was asked if I'd like to salvage an L4 mission by a friendly player who was blitzing Level 4 Security missions (with two characters at once, in quite powerful ships). He provided an MTU. All I had to do was fit a Catalyst with a full rack of salvagers, and empty the MTU after he'd taken what he needed.

We got one of the hard missions with a lot of ships, and he let me take all the loot except some mission-specific loot he needed. I got a lot of tags and a lot of items.

Of course we have to ask:

  • Did this represent a reliable average income of 60 million per hour?
  • Does it demonstrate any playing skill on my part?
  • Would I be justified in telling other rookies to invest time in learning to use this approach to earning ISK to pay for their skill books and ships?

Clearly not. It was a handout from a friendly and helpful EVE player.

It's certainly possible to get into Corps where this kind of thing is regularly available, but it's not something a new player should plan for.

Or another perspective: if an Alpha could reliably make 100 million per hour grinding, a PLEX would cost 10-12 hours play, and there wouldn't be any Alphas. Somewhere between 100 mill and the 5-10 mill per hour an Alpha can earn by ISK-grinding Level 3 missions is a realistic number. It won't ever pay for a PLEX per month.

I haven't tried all the options yet, so I can't provide full information on potential solo income. But FWIW my current assumption for stable reliable income for when my Alpha is fully-skilled and fully-geared is 10 to 20 million ISK per hour.

But that's reliable income, including all the time I spend earning&grinding it. I'll get lucky on occasion of course - every now and then I'll get a 50 mill drop from a DED Space. But I won't be quoting my best-ever hour as though it was an average, and I won't be writing fiction like the story linked above, leaving out the fact that 95% of the income is from boosts.
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#8 - 2017-01-18 09:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:


I don't believe that in the least.


I believe that he either builds or trades Salvagers and VNIs. Qui bono.
Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#9 - 2017-01-18 10:47:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Skyweir Kinnison
The crucial information in that example is that he joined a null-sec corporation. In the very large new player corps, there are areas where lots of people are ratting, and consequently there is a lot of salvage to be had. If one works hard at it, it's possible to gather a lot of isk. However, as has been noted, one hour's excellent return does not always give a reliable guide to the amounts possible over a long period. Competition rises and falls dependent on time of day, for example.

Null-sec, especially in the areas controlled by the large alliances, can be pretty profitable for new players and Alphas. When I was in Horde, I could mine about 30m isk in an hour, with just a Procurer. However, overall, this was really 30m per three days, because I could only stand doing it for an hour at a time, even though I quite enjoy the relaxation. I really wanted to shoot stuff.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2017-01-18 12:14:48 UTC
Lena Crews wrote:


Many view isk as a way of keeping score... to show if you're "winning" or "losing" the game.

Many (like you) don't really care about "winning"... they just want to do activities they find enjoyable.

I fall in the middle somewhere. I want to make isk... seeing the wallet tick up does give me a warm fuzzy feeling. But I'm not going to do stuff I don't like in order to make it go up either.

I get that and I'm not claiming any right or wrong way to play the game.

While I don't have any hard numbers to back it up it just seems to me that I see a lot of posts from players who have tried the game before ( sometimes multiple times ) and are trying it again and the main question that they want answered is "how can I make a lot of isk".

So all that I am saying is that if that is what you were trying to do last time, then don't be surprised if the same thing happens again. Meaning if you tried the game in the past and tried to make lots of isk and the game became a job so you left... don't be surprised if you get the same result by doing the same thing all over.

I think that we can come up with real life examples of people claiming to like one thing when their actions clearly show their preferences to lie elsewhere. It's often easier for someone else to see tihs than the person themselves. Trying something different even if you think that you know what you'll think of it ahead of time and then trying to be objective about the results can help in this regard.

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Viserys Anstian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2017-01-19 18:49:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Viserys Anstian
I think the question shouldn't be:

How do I make more ISK with 300m?

The question should be:
What do I like to do in EVE, and let me find a way to make money doing it.

You also have to ask yourself the time/money balance.

I had an industry/trading alt for a long time. I even enjoyed it and made decent ISK. However, it basically required me to log into EVE at least once a day. My first hour of each session was getting research set up, or manufacturing runs, checking orders, resupplying stations, trying to undercut competition while still hitting profit margins.

Then for me, real life stepped in. I went down from playing 2-3 hours per night, to 5-6 hours per week. So all my time was being spent on manufacturing, and not exploring or fighting. So I ceased manufacturing.

Now I started out exploring, and was familiar with getting around 0.0. So I went back to exploring, day tripping WHs (usually ended up spending weeks at a time in WHs and pop my head back out. I then moved to a NS corp with dreams of making more ISK. And not that the opportunities weren't there, but still the time requirements just didn't really fit my life. So I left. Actually left the game for a while.

Came back, and I'm back to exploring again. I enjoy it. Can play when I want and where I want. If I find a nice quiet spot, I'll squat for awhile and run some sites, otherwise I crack cans. My thrill is with each system, setting up networks of safe spots, learning the people around, and figure out when to do things and when not.

I've tried mission running. Couldn't hack it, but there is ISK to be made with smart faction reputation and purchases.

Tried excurions. Sure, you can make decent ISK that way, but still wasn't very fun for me.

Tried LS Pirating. I sucked at it. I'm too nice and suck too much at PVP. Probably one of the only things I did where I lost ISK on a regular basis that outpaced my income. But I place that fact on my abilities alone. I did have fun though.

I don't fly expensive ships with lots of bling. I make more than enough ISK to cover my losses. I love exploring. The thrill of avoiding getting caught, dreaming of the next big loot drop, and then trying to get back to HS with a hold full of loot to try to get paid.

Bottom line, find something you enjoy, and do it. The ISK will come if you do it right.

Easiest way to make ISK? Work at McDonalds for 1.5 hours, go home, buy a PLEX, sell PLEX for ISK. including drive times, that's 500M isk/hour. That's a minimum wage. ISK/hr only goes up from there as you get paid more. ;) Then you can go out and lose ships all night long like I did when I tried pirating.
Takh Meir'noen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2017-01-19 22:44:41 UTC
There is such great advice here--about figuring out what you *like* doing, and figuring out how to get the ISK for that activity.

I've tried to play EVE so many times, and every time I end up in a rut, bored, and leaving. Every time I'm just trying to maximize how much ISK I can make, still I can't stand it. This time around, I said **** it, I'm going to null-sec, joining a newbie corp, and shooting some people in the face. It turns out that I don't need 1B isk a week to enjoy EVE. In fact, right now just doing lazy, 3-day cycle, high-sec PI is *easily* covering the cost of new ships for me.

So why struggle to get to 1B or 2B isk? I've got a hangar spilling over with frigates and destroyers. Now I'm starting to stockpile cruisers. Literally the moment I can afford another PVP ship, I buy one. I don't think I've had more than 80M in my wallet for longer than a couple hours anymore. Most fun I've ever had in EVE, by far.

People always used to say "assume your ship is lost the moment you undock". I've started viewing my ships as gone the moment I buy them. After all, I don't NEED to get the ISK back. I mean--when I get more ISK--I'm just going to buy some more ships, right?
Rob Sazas
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2017-01-20 04:40:07 UTC
Once you've taken the ISK element out the game and start having fun with it, then you see the big picture....


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