EVE General Discussion

Well since you fully expect to lose it why not save the time and hassle, and forward the isk for the citadel to me?

Welcome back, and good luck with your plans. I'm sure someone will be able to answer with specifics about timers for you.

Thank you. That is what I thought, but I figured I had better ask first in the event I was completely missing something.

What do you think are the odds of an Astrahus surviving in high-sec for any extended period of time? Are they being popped left and right, or has the novelty worn off?

Unless you make enemies that want your citadel out of their hairs it should be fine... unless you make a point of building the thing right under the nose of everyone at the door of a trade hub, mission hub, mining hub or along a trade pipe.

I see plenty of citadels all over the place that never got attacked.

Thank you for the answers. This is what I suspected, but again... it's been a while. Never hurts to ask.

Thanks again.

It also depends on what you're going to be using it for.

If it's just for lolz, then whatever your ISK. As NPC stations are not going away!

If it's for industry, it's say stick to Engineering Complexes. Especially if it's Highsec, as no one is going to spend the time to remove it for the 700 Mil killmail...

This was exactly the kind of information I was looking for.

Much appreciated.

As to Citadels in NS, the situation is even worse. They basically fortify a system and create a lengthy, arduous process of removing them inorder to capture space.

Ive never understood what CCPs long term plans with them are. Not only did they throw POS out the window for no reason, they then instituted Citadels which will just proliferate in ever larger amounts and more powerful versions, and none of which provide profit to an attacker (except in j-space).

The whole impetus of Citadels seems half-baked to me.

From where Im standing, all I see is massive amounts of Citadels in HS with no reason to kiill them, and massive amounts of Citadels in NS that just make space there even more static. The removal of POS, and lack of asset safety, is a serious problem for j-space dwellers next to stronger neighbors, and even WH daytrippers whom may stay in the hole to loot the entirety of the Citadels assets.

None of it makes sense to me.

I get what you mean, but how long is that going to be interesting, when there is essentially no reward for it.
New Citadels will just pop up, and the grind begins again, for very little profit or advantage.

Atleast POCOS are planet specific.

If EVE lasted another hundred years, there will be a hundred Citadels in every HS and NS system.

I dont see what CCP is trying to achieve with this.
From my perspective, it just means Citadel spam in HS, and further concretion/fortification of NS.
LS may have some interest in this, but the profits from a Citadel are so tiny, why bother destroying them. Just camp/kill the players.
J-space got properly shafted, as the only sector without asset safety mechanics.

Im not seeing how this is a good direction, for any sector or any purpose.

HS/LS doesnt care. So what if there is 1 or 100 Citadels in your home system.
J-Space is proper fked by this. If its destroyed, they stand to lose everything. No more small operations. If you have a larger neighbor, you WILL lose your Citadel and assets.

The only sector of space I see as benefiting from this, as conjoined to the removal of POS, is NS.
It now becomes even more an issue of who can field a larger fleet, and for how long, so as to grind through the Citadels in a system. Frontiers can be fortified with any number of Citadels, all on their own timers, making invasion and capture of an NS system take weeks if not months in total of constant attention. Even if you destroy the Citadel, the assets will be moved out due to asset safety, so all you have cost your opponent is the cost of the Citadel (which is usually tiny compared to its total contained assets)

Once a border system has 5-10 Keepstars in it, what alliance has the determination to grind through them all?
People just wont bother anymore.

Its the equivalent of WWI style trench warfare. You will suffer billions in losses, just to advance past one Citadel/trench in a system, and gain no profit from it as its assets are moved by asset safety past your reach.

I dont get the logic or idea behind this.

I don't understand why people get so upset at them in hisec, you can remove them from your overview.

I wanted one because it was my place in space, but it offered me the ability to switch clones easily for what I wanted to do, that has real value, also I intend to do some indy ones at some point. However as I (cough) have made enemies on the forums, any I put up won't last long unless I smoother a damn system with loads of them. But in reality you get annoyed because you can see them, there are quite a few that you don't see, people who do not make them usable for public view and put them way off the grid. You have to scan them down, would you be upset at them? You can't see them on your overview you know that.

I get more annoyed with the Mobile depots around gates then Citadels to be honest.

The un-anchoring is a pain and in fact means that you might as well just make or buy another one rather than scoop it, I have one contact who has ninja scooped 8 Astrahus, so if I put one down it stays there period until someone comes along and blows it up, if they could improve that un-anchoring a bit then you might see less of them.


Romi marked off of my list of possible locations, in fact I noticed you guys there and I have also noticed that you killed one in Domain, nice fleet setup by the way...

EDIT: About null sec, they are actually creating interesting battles, but a more powerful alliance plonking them all over the place will suffer from overreach, what it does require is a certain amount of supers...