EVE General Discussion

Let me put it this way. The notion that preventing ganking of players less than 15 days old, according to this study, will most likely not improve player retention. This follows for two reasons:

1. Players less than 15 days old are very rarely ganked.
2. Players who are ganked stay with the game longer.

If these results are True™ then the effect on retention will be either zero or negative.

Now you can disagree with that, but you have literally nothing for evidence. I mean nothing. Your beliefs are not evidence.

What would be really awesome is if CCP replicated the study. See if the same or similar results hold.

But again, apparently I don't know **** from shinola when it comes to statistics.

And while CCP cannot release the actual data providing more of the analysis and such would be great. Like calculating confidence intervals for example. Confirm that it is a randomized sample. Provide and overview of how they tried to weed out alts, if they did do this.

Edit: Not that I could interpret such things as when it comes to statistics I don't know nearly as much as Salvos.

Wow, and here I was thinking that the definition of breakfast is that it is the meal without alcohol.

Mind blown.

Switzerland has beer in McDonald's too

I know the Jita scammers aren't complaining...

Eh?

Ganked players stay longer?

I wonder when CCP will consider the implications.

*pictures swarms of CCP employees out ganking alpha clones*

I guess it depends what the ganked stay around to do. Maybe they dedicate themselves to ganking? The circle of gank.

CCP has so much information that all of it must seem like noise.

When CCP Rise mentioned that new players were fascinated by planets, but he didn't know why. That seems like a very interesting opportunity for CCP.

I'm glad I can sit here in space, just reading, without having to make virtual life and death decisions over a game's future.

Yeah, I know it's hard to wrap your pretty little head around.

In the end, it doesn't really matter whether it was getting ganked or getting blown up in lowsec or whatever. At least something exciting happened and I think this is why the notion that people who gets ganked stays longer. Mining or missioning are pretty boring activities and if you as a new player don't get your ship blown up, then you may think EvE is all about that ISK grinding in highsec. You eventually burn out during the first weeks and don't come back to EvE again. After all, their prejudice that EvE is all about those spreadsheets online just got confirmed.

It could be pretty cool to actually make study of the EvE playerbase, but from personal experience, then I can only confirm that PvP is what people play EvE for and what makes the game exciting. The PvE aspects are only there to finance your PvP activities.

Thanks for the compliment, but I have a girlfriend.

So you would suggest that CCP devs go out and gank every new play within the first two weeks?

I'd say there is something else going on.

Or is your contention that EVE is sooooo boring that getting killed is an improvement?

My guess is it is player-on-player interaction. Other types of player-on-player interaction might have similar effects, but would be harder to find in the data, IMO.

You are correct that a player’s decision to stay with the game will be dependent on their own personal experience, and some players ganked in various situations may leave right away. However, that is not inconsistent with the findings by CCP. They most likely were reporting either the mean or median value for time in game. So, what that means is that, on average, the ganked player stays longer than the non-ganked players.

Lastly, a 1 million ISK ship loss may not feel like a lot when you have say a billion ISK. But if you are a new player and you just bought that million ISK ship and glue fit it because you don’t have the ISK to fit better modules and then lose said ship…that is a significant loss as it means you just lost the bulk of your EVE wealth. Losing a 2 billion bling fit ship when you have 4 billion in liquid ISK in your wallet, then the loss might not seem as bad.

Having beer in McDonalds isn't civilized. A country with no McDonalds is civilized.

You seem to have forgotten what the topic is.