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Why is there a damn Thrasher...

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Beast of Revelations
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2017-01-16 18:44:09 UTC
Just sitting off of most, sometimes every gate of every highsec system I jump into? Do gankers use Thrashers? What does CODE. use?
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#2 - 2017-01-16 18:53:38 UTC
Thrashers allow for high volley or alpha damage. This means that a single shot from artillery (projectile weapon) causes the most damage per shot. Note this does not mean the most DPS as there is a high cool down time between shots. So yes, thrashers tend to be popular gank weapons. One volley could kill a ship before concord intervenes.

That said, a lone thrashed has limited value. It may pop a pod or an underarmored frigate, but not much else. Those thrashed you are may be fast locking hoping to catch suspect pods passing through. However to the average player they are not a threat.

As for code... They tend to operate in lower sec systems where there is a delay to concord response. Due to the delay, DPS is more important so catalysts are the prefered ship.
Kazual Jayde
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2017-01-16 19:08:11 UTC
The kill boards are littered with people carrying PLEX or BPCs in shuttles.

Kaboom.

It's easier to be in the right place at the right time if you have eyes everywhere.
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#4 - 2017-01-16 19:47:47 UTC
It's the PLEX police. They are only attracted by plex or injector tanked ships.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#5 - 2017-01-16 19:55:15 UTC
Gregorius Goldstein wrote:
It's the PLEX police. They are only attracted by plex or injector tanked ships.
WTB universal Police skin.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#6 - 2017-01-16 19:56:19 UTC
There is an especially dedicated CODE pod / corvette / shuttle ganker hanging around in Niarja and nearby systems. He has a number of scout Thrashers at the gates as well as his gank thrashers that come in when he sees a good target, such as someone in a pod auto-piloting.

Also some AG are having fun ganking gankers scouts, which is great to see.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2017-01-16 20:17:27 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
There is an especially dedicated CODE pod / corvette / shuttle ganker hanging around in Niarja and nearby systems. He has a number of scout Thrashers at the gates as well as his gank thrashers that come in when he sees a good target, such as someone in a pod auto-piloting.

Also some AG are having fun ganking gankers scouts, which is great to see.

This is Aaaargh!
Aaaargh! Is the reason why you don't sit still in Madi/niarja/aphend when you're flying anything small.
If you live nearby Aaaargh! will get you eventually because he's like a force of nature and frankly I ****ing respect that.
Beast of Revelations
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2017-01-16 22:38:41 UTC
I guess the gankers are out on the town today. I was almost ganked by an insta-lock Tornado with artillery fit on station undock in highsec near Amarr. One shot (glancing blow) and my entire shield, entire armor, and half my hull was gone, but I escaped due to his long reload, and he was destroyed by CONCORD plus some other dude in a Legion who joined in.

I don't care about the gank attempt. I do care about the insta-locking. I have max targeting skills but I have never been able to get anything close to insta-lock, especially using big guns. So I don't know why he gets to insta-lock. I mean literally as soon as I came out of station and started aligning to gate, he hit me. It was less than 1 second lock and hit time.

I've continued to check him on kill mails, and he's still in that system, ganking people. He's had a string of kills plus losses. I didn't bother to do the math to see if he was coming out ahead or not. He wasn't CODE. however.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2017-01-16 22:50:22 UTC
I'll take"what are remote sebos?"for 500, Alex
Hipqo
Tyde8
#10 - 2017-01-16 23:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Hipqo
Beast of Revelations wrote:
I guess the gankers are out on the town today. I was almost ganked by an insta-lock Tornado with artillery fit on station undock in highsec near Amarr. One shot (glancing blow) and my entire shield, entire armor, and half my hull was gone, but I escaped due to his long reload, and he was destroyed by CONCORD plus some other dude in a Legion who joined in.

I don't care about the gank attempt. I do care about the insta-locking. I have max targeting skills but I have never been able to get anything close to insta-lock, especially using big guns. So I don't know why he gets to insta-lock. I mean literally as soon as I came out of station and started aligning to gate, he hit me. It was less than 1 second lock and hit time.

I've continued to check him on kill mails, and he's still in that system, ganking people. He's had a string of kills plus losses. I didn't bother to do the math to see if he was coming out ahead or not. He wasn't CODE. however.


[Tornado, "Insta-lock" concept]

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Level 5 skills across the board give you theese stats:

Total Cost: 122m
Volley (alpha): 11.790

Lock Times are:

POD: 2,2 s
Interceptor: 1,9 s
Frigate: 1,8 s
Destroyer: 1,3 s
Cruiser: 1,1 s
Battlecruiser: 0,9 s
Battleship: 0,8 s
Carrier: 0,5 s

Just a quick example wiped up in PYFA, im in no way saying people are using this fit or anything like it, just showing you how fast a tornado potentially can lock targets and how much damage one volley can do.

If you also position yourself correct, tracking isnt really an issue with big guns. (straight lines FTW)

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#11 - 2017-01-16 23:44:57 UTC
There are lots of ships that can out-EHP or outrun a lot of insta-locking ships. My favorites are the Leopard and Hecate, both of which can hit warp before even appearing on enemy overviews.

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Beast of Revelations
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2017-01-17 00:04:38 UTC
Hipqo wrote:

Just a quick example wiped up in PYFA, im in no way saying people are using this fit or anything like it, just showing you how fast a tornado potentially can lock targets and how much damage one volley can do.


Good analysis. Perhaps something like this combined with the "I'll take remote sebos for 500" idea the other guy proposed.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#13 - 2017-01-17 00:07:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
... the Leopard and Hecate, both of which can hit warp before even appearing on enemy overviews.
Uhh nope, you're visible on the overview the moment you do anything that triggers the decloak animation; the animation is not an indicator of your visibility on the overview, it's just eye candy.

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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2017-01-17 00:34:13 UTC
Beast of Revelations wrote:
Just sitting off of most, sometimes every gate of every highsec system I jump into? Do gankers use Thrashers? What does CODE. use?


because EVE is a piece of **** joke of a game where risk averse aggressors have all the advantages. They take no risks and pay negligible costs in "suicide ganking" to reap potentially enormous rewards.
Beast of Revelations
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2017-01-17 01:20:59 UTC
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:

because EVE is a piece of **** joke of a game where risk averse aggressors have all the advantages. They take no risks and pay negligible costs in "suicide ganking" to reap potentially enormous rewards.


I have no problem with your assessment; merely with your clone. You look like Jen aSide. That isn't a compliment.

I'll chip in for a resculpt for you if others will.
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2017-01-17 01:27:04 UTC
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:
because EVE is a piece of **** joke of a game where risk averse aggressors have all the advantages. They take no risks and pay negligible costs in "suicide ganking" to reap potentially enormous rewards.

Victory favors the bold. Take initiative and you too, can have the advantage.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#17 - 2017-01-17 04:11:51 UTC
Somebody talking bad about Thrashers here? "Damn Thrasher"? That's Mr. Thrasher to you, sir.
Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#18 - 2017-01-17 04:16:37 UTC
lol hisec


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Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2017-01-17 04:36:19 UTC
Yes! Finally some thrasher tears, you have no idea how sick I am of the catalyst pilots lording it over us. Thrasher pilots matter!

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#20 - 2017-01-17 04:52:02 UTC
Stop rolling through the pipeline systems and you wont see any gankers really.Blink

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