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Salvos Rhoska
#341 - 2017-01-16 17:49:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

Are you claiming that you have expertise a scientist and in statistics?


Yes.
I have completed formal university education towards understanding/knowledge of both.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#342 - 2017-01-16 17:52:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:

Are you claiming that you have expertise a scientist and in statistics?


Yes.

What are your qualifications?

You're a trainee/student nurse right? So aside from that, what are your qualifications as a scientist and in statistics (because being a nurse makes you neither a scientist, nor provides expertise in statistics. They do valuable work, but are not scientists)?

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Salvos Rhoska
#343 - 2017-01-16 17:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
You're a trainee/student nurse right? So aside from that, what are your qualifications as a scientist and in statistics?


I am currently a nursing student as well as working alongside that as a nurse with the accreditation due to study points I have accrued.

Previous to that I have attended at university 3yrs of law and 1yr of psychology. all of which (including my current nursing studies) involve courses in statistical analysis, structure/method/validity/reliability of studies, and understanding of the intricacies of the scientific method.

Tbh, the extent of Techos misrepresentation of the study in question results, does not require more than a good high-school education anyways in-order to refute and recognize as such.

Anyone can be a scientist, as long as you observe and respect the specifics of the scientific method.
Registered Nurses frequently conduct or participate in scientific studies and contribute to the overall data. resource base and development of nursing as a profession.
This includes being reviewed by peers, which in this case is represented by Techos' false conclusions as demonstrated against the method of the study, as pointed out by myself.

How about you? What education do you have in the scientific method and statistical analysis?

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#344 - 2017-01-16 18:06:23 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
You're a trainee/student nurse right? So aside from that, what are your qualifications as a scientist and in statistics?


I am currently a nursing student.

Previous to that I have attended at university 3yrs of law and 1yr of psychology. all of which (including my current nursing studies) involve courses in statistical analysis, structure/method/validity/reliability of studies, and understanding of the intricacies of the scientific method.

Tbh, the extent of Techos misrepresentation of the study in question results, does not require more than a good high-school education anyways in-order to refute and recognize as such.

How about you?

3yrs law and 1 yr psych make you an expert in science and statistics. Hahaha. No work experience to speak of at all applying any of this "expertise"?

As for me, not that it matters as I'm not claiming the expertise here, nor misrepresenting my knowledge and incorrectly arguing rubbish to push a point, I have a PhD in Chemistry. I work in a lab and since completing a post doc 7 years ago, have worked in a lab every day. Sadly they days I spend most of my time managing other scientists and not near enough time on the bench doing science.

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#345 - 2017-01-16 18:15:27 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
You're a trainee/student nurse right? So aside from that, what are your qualifications as a scientist and in statistics?


I am currently a nursing student as well as working alongside that as a nurse with the accreditation due to study points I have accrued.

Previous to that I have attended at university 3yrs of law and 1yr of psychology. all of which (including my current nursing studies) involve courses in statistical analysis, structure/method/validity/reliability of studies, and understanding of the intricacies of the scientific method.

Tbh, the extent of Techos misrepresentation of the study in question results, does not require more than a good high-school education anyways in-order to refute and recognize as such.

Anyone can be a scientist, as long as you observe and respect the specifics of the scientific method.
Registered Nurses frequently conduct or participate in scientific studies and contribute to the overall data. resource base and development of nursing as a profession.
This includes being reviewed by peers, which in this case is represented by Techos' false conclusions as demonstrated against the method of the study, as pointed out by myself.

How about you? What education do you have in the scientific method and statistical analysis?

Yeah, 3 years of law and 1 year of psychology, probably wouldn't qualify you as a statistician or scientist.

There is no shame in just admitting, one is not an expert on a specific area of knowledge. There is no problem in saying something is your opinion. You are free to have any opinion on any matter. The problem people have, is that you try to
represent your opinion as some form of fact, when in reality you don't even have the credentials to support it.

Knowing fancy debat terms, does not make you an expert on something.
Salvos Rhoska
#346 - 2017-01-16 18:19:49 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
3yrs law and 1 yr psych make you an expert in science and statistics. Hahaha. No work experience to speak of at all applying any of this "expertise"?

As for me, not that it matters as I'm not claiming the expertise here, nor misrepresenting my knowledge and incorrectly arguing rubbish to push a point, I have a PhD in Chemistry. I work in a lab and since completing a post doc 7 years ago, have worked in a lab every day. Sadly they days I spend most of my time managing other scientists and not near enough time on the bench doing science.


You did not ask if I am an expert.
You asked if I have expertise.

I have education in 3 fields of scientific study,
You in one (albeit to a respectable extent that exceeds my own).
Are you saying you do not see it that Techos is drawing false/unsupported conclusions from the study in question?

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Salvos Rhoska
#347 - 2017-01-16 18:25:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Maekchu wrote:

Yeah, 3 years of law and 1 year of psychology, probably wouldn't qualify you as a statistician or scientist.


So what qualifies Techos, or you?

Furthermore, neither requires a formal education. Any person can be a scientist, or a statistician, based on their own learning.

Are qualifications necessary to state an objection to someones misconstruing/misrepresentation of a study?

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#348 - 2017-01-16 18:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Maekchu wrote:

Yeah, 3 years of law and 1 year of psychology, probably wouldn't qualify you as a statistician or scientist.


So what qualifies Techos, or you?

Are qualifications necessary to state an objection to someones misconstruing/misrepresentation of a study?

Never said I was qualified to say anything :D So don't put words in my mouth here, I am just stating the obvious that law and psychology does not give you qualifications in the field of statistics.

Which is why, I for the most part (if I remember it), write that something is my opinion. In the discussion we had earlier in this thread, I stated my opinion and my arguments, you stated yours. I concluded that we had different opinions on whatever matter we where discussing and that we probably would not come to a common conclusion, so there was no point in going further down that rabbit hole.

I never said anything about, what I said was facts or that I had the qualifications to overrule the opinions of anyone else.

Edit: But if you are curious, I have a bachelors in economics and finishing a bachelors in computer science.
Salvos Rhoska
#349 - 2017-01-16 18:38:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Maekchu wrote:
I concluded that we had different opinions on whatever matter we where discussing and that we probably would not come to a common conclusion, so there was no point in going further down that rabbit hole.
e.


None of which refutes that Techos' misrepresentation of the studies results, are false.

Read the study, read Techos' contrived conclusions. They dont match up.

This is not a matter of "opinion". Its a matter of what the study states, for what it is, and what it does not.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#350 - 2017-01-16 18:39:29 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen, the gobbledy-**** you say when your definition of someone else's bias is based on your own bias.

The study is fine, and backed up by the experiences of many players who are still here, you being one of them, since all you've ever done is lose ships, and yet, you haven't qq'd yet.


1) Argumentum ad publicum and non-sequitor. We are both addressing the same general audience. Techos bias is apparent from his misconstrued onclusions from a study which does not support them.

2) The study is fine, for what it is, but does not investigate or differentiate to the conclusion Techos drew from them.
One needs education in scientific method and statistical analysis, inorder to ascertain the validity, reliability of a study before drawing conclusions from its results.

3) Ad-hominem. The fact I have not QQed, is not a negative, though you present it as such. I did not lose a ship as a fresh player, yet I remained ingame, which refutes Techos and your false conclusion.

4) This is not my only character or account. Ive said that before, I know that is hard for an autist to understand as they lack theory of self and hence understanding of others as autonomous actors with their own history and motivations, but when stated as fact, you can, and have to, accept that.


I don't care how many years of university you have, a few years of primary school should be more than enough to figure out that 'inorder' and 'ingame' are not words, and how to use apostrophes. Your continuous arguments from fallacies are not arguments, they are fallacies. And as far as "I have more than one account" goes, I don't care. I have no reason to believe you, and can only base my conclusions on what I know. And what I know is, you are bad. It really doesn't take an autistic savant like me to figure that out. Blink

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#351 - 2017-01-16 18:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
3yrs law and 1 yr psych make you an expert in science and statistics. Hahaha. No work experience to speak of at all applying any of this "expertise"?

As for me, not that it matters as I'm not claiming the expertise here, nor misrepresenting my knowledge and incorrectly arguing rubbish to push a point, I have a PhD in Chemistry. I work in a lab and since completing a post doc 7 years ago, have worked in a lab every day. Sadly they days I spend most of my time managing other scientists and not near enough time on the bench doing science.


You did not ask if I am an expert.
You asked if I have expertise.

I have education in 3 fields of scientific study,
You in one (albeit to a respectable extent that exceeds my own).
Are you saying you do not see it that Techos is drawing false/unsupported conclusions from the study in question?

Hahaha.

You don't have expertise. You have some courses. That is far from expertise. Certainly not enough expertise to be insulting another poster in the forum, with claims you don't know are true.

You have also demonstrated a lack of knowledge of scientific training if you think specialising in one field means a lack of training in others, as if that is at all that relevant anyway. The way science is conducted across the physical sciences is consistent in approach.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#352 - 2017-01-16 18:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I did not lose a ship as a fresh player, yet I remained ingame, which refutes Techos and your false conclusion.


Wait, you think this is a conclusion of the study? Now I know why you're so confused. No, this was a speculation based on the study, not a conclusion. No one has claimed it was anything otherwise. If they have, they're only wrong about it being a conclusion, but the study does strongly suggest that players who experience the real EVE early get a better idea of what it's all about. It's a speculation that is strongly supported by the experience of many veteran players who are still here, who did lose ships early on. Salvos, you've done it again. You've been strawmanning this whole thing because you think people are coming to this 'conclusion' that is actually just speculation, albeit strongly supported with evidence speculation, however circumstantial. All this talk about statistics and qualifications and you somehow skipped over the part however many posts back where I made this point? Dude, you're just dumb. No, that's not ad hominem, that's just my observation based on your own demonstrations of being dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

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Salvos Rhoska
#353 - 2017-01-16 18:46:18 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:


You don't have expertise. You have some courses. That is far from expertise. Certainly not enough expertise to be insulting another poster in the forum, with claims you don't know are true.


More than you. I have completed real studies, unlike you.
And my studies specifically involved scientific method and statistical methods/analysis.

Nothing I have said constitutes an insult :D

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#354 - 2017-01-16 18:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

None of which refutes that Techos' misrepresentation of the studies results, are false.

Read the study, read Techos' contrived conclusions. They dont match up.

I don't really care enough to sit down and read a study to solve an internet argument :D

But as far as I've understood from this thread, it sounds like you and Techos are arguing about the studies methodology and interpretation of the conclusion. Which are just opinions anyway and not hard facts.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#355 - 2017-01-16 18:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:


You don't have expertise. You have some courses. That is far from expertise. Certainly not enough expertise to be insulting another poster in the forum, with claims you don't know are true.


More than you. I have completed real studies, unlike you.
And my studies specifically involved scientific method and statistical methods/analysis.

Nothing I have said constitutes an insult :D


You just told someone with a PhD, something you earn by expanding the total sum of human knowledge, that they've never completed a real study.

That's not just insulting, it's arrogant, pretentious, and downright ********. In a nutshell, typical Salvos Rhoska on a good day, as dumb as ever.

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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#356 - 2017-01-16 18:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:


You don't have expertise. You have some courses. That is far from expertise. Certainly not enough expertise to be insulting another poster in the forum, with claims you don't know are true.


More than you. I have completed real studies, unlike you.
And my studies specifically involved scientific method and statistical methods/analysis.

Nothing I have said constitutes an insult :D

Actually, you said this to Peckos:

You are a hack, a dilettante, trying to misrepresent data, dishonestly, towards your own bias and preference.
Furthermore, you are projecting your own shortcomings onto everyone else, as if you where not (demonstrably) committing it yourself.

That is an insult, yes; and based on a lie that you have expertise in science and statistics. You don't.

You have completed real studies. As in research? What were they? Or you mean, courses? Lol.

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#357 - 2017-01-16 18:54:36 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
You just told someone with a PhD, something you earn by expanding the total of human knowledge, that they've never completed a real study.

Wow... Didn't even catch that. That is just plain stupid.

I was unsure whether he was a troll or not. But this gotta be a clear indication that he is a troll, right? I mean, no one can really think that a PhD does not require completion of a real study.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#358 - 2017-01-16 18:58:34 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
You just told someone with a PhD, something you earn by expanding the total of human knowledge, that they've never completed a real study.

Wow... Didn't even catch that. That is just plain stupid.

I was unsure whether he was a troll or not. But this gotta be a clear indication that he is a troll, right? I mean, no one can really think that a PhD does not require completion of a real study.


It requires a lot more than that.

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Salvos Rhoska
#359 - 2017-01-16 19:09:51 UTC
Maekchu wrote:

I don't really care enough to sit down and read a study to solve an internet argument :D

But as far as I've understood from this thread, it sounds like you and Techos are arguing about the studies methodology and interpretation of the conclusion. Which are just opinions anyway and not hard facts.


Then your whining is irrelevant, misinformed and without concern.

Bye!

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Salvos Rhoska
#360 - 2017-01-16 19:11:21 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
You just told someone with a PhD, something you earn by expanding the total sum of human knowledge, that they've never completed a real study.

That's not just insulting, it's arrogant, pretentious, and downright ********. In a nutshell, typical Salvos Rhoska on a good day, as dumb as ever.


1) Lol, where did I say he has not completed a real study? Nowhere! :D

2) Ad-hominem insults. Reported.

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