EVE General Discussion

No safer . But at this moment cloak AFK camping is just broken . without any effort you can shut down whole aliance with just maybe 20 bombers ? .

what i want is Even this will need some kind of effort to do . Each 5-10 minutes warp to safe to recharge the cap or repair the module . thats all . would it make Null sec safer ? no . It would just force people to be pro-active in hunting .

you say to keep your alignment to see if you dont bump something keep all the intel channels open checking them all the time to see if something comming compared to Fly to safe cloak done - check every hour if you are active or you can do it every six hours . who cares . ratter even without cloacked person in system has to be on their toes all the time . Or can ratter leave his ship in the anom or belt and leave for several hours ? how that would end ?

Well by that logic, it also takes some effort from the camper to d-scan you down, point you, activate modules, etc etc.

Let's not fool anyone here, null is rather safe for ratters, especially if you control some space and are not in immediate vicinity of fights. Which is why, it's extremely boring for hunters to actually hunt in null, since you guys just dock up as soon something shows on intel or local.

This is the reason why people have ended up just afk-cloaking to lure you out of your homes, when you think you are safe.

As stated before, if you want to fix afk-cloakers, you need to fix local and make it an actual effort to gather that an enemy is in the system with you.

This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:

1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following:
- "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"

2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.

3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.

4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)

5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.

6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.

7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!

8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.

We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.

Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please?