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Salvador Sarpat1
#341 - 2017-01-13 07:42:27 UTC
Good I hope they bring in devs to clean up **** bags and scammers while insta popping Code scum entering highsec.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#342 - 2017-01-13 08:24:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Hilarious. I saw this coming a year or two ago and was ridiculed for it :)

Can't wait till someone comes and fixes up the rubbish mechanics:

1. Boosting HP on industrials.
2. Turning off non-consensual pvp in highsec and nerfing the feck out of war decs.
3. Cleaning up these forums so they're not so toxic.
4. Getting rid of ISD and implementing a proper customer service model (Not staffed by people who all have mains in Goons or other super pro null sec alliances)
5. Employing devs who understand what the term balanced means and who take pains not to shovel new broken mechanics on top of old broken mechanics in some sort of frenzy of new content new content new content > quality.
6. AFK cloaking

Edit: I don't particularly agree with all those things being changed / removed but in the absence of them being addressed for years and years but rather just being ignored I think it would be sweet justice for those that abused them to suddenly have their toys taken away as a punishement :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#343 - 2017-01-13 08:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#344 - 2017-01-13 08:39:58 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
There was also some thread about CCP selling to Microsoft few years ago, so its like a recurring theme. P

http://eve-search.com/thread/612513-0/page/1 Thread from 2007

Bit of a difference between a forum thread about what a friend heard and a Bloomberg article though.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#345 - 2017-01-13 09:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
There was also some thread about CCP selling to Microsoft few years ago, so its like a recurring theme. P

http://eve-search.com/thread/612513-0/page/1 Thread from 2007

Bit of a difference between a forum thread about what a friend heard and a Bloomberg article though.

Just different friends I suppose. News site doesnt legitimize anything when its still that friend.

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Hazel TuckerTS
Doomheim
#346 - 2017-01-13 21:07:43 UTC
SELL THE DEAD HORSE already.

I can see a pvp free carebear only server.....weeee, dances about in her pink lace panties and bra.

Tears would flow from all the bloated vets with nothing to do but complain even more....

kiss kiss bang bang
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#347 - 2017-01-14 00:43:40 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Hilarious. I saw this coming a year or two ago and was ridiculed for it :)

Can't wait till someone comes and fixes up the rubbish mechanics:

1. Boosting HP on industrials.
2. Turning off non-consensual pvp in highsec and nerfing the feck out of war decs.
3. Cleaning up these forums so they're not so toxic.
4. Getting rid of ISD and implementing a proper customer service model (Not staffed by people who all have mains in Goons or other super pro null sec alliances)
5. Employing devs who understand what the term balanced means and who take pains not to shovel new broken mechanics on top of old broken mechanics in some sort of frenzy of new content new content new content > quality.
6. AFK cloaking

Edit: I don't particularly agree with all those things being changed / removed but in the absence of them being addressed for years and years but rather just being ignored I think it would be sweet justice for those that abused them to suddenly have their toys taken away as a punishement :)


This

There's gonna be some prime salt for years onwards

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Kei Saito
Temeraria Praedonum
Catastrophic Experiment
#348 - 2017-01-24 08:37:06 UTC
If this happens I really hope this doesn't turn out like star wars galaxies. "Great niche but they want to expand so wow clone"
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#349 - 2017-01-24 09:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
WoW is only one, usurping its role and position in case of EVE would be like shooting a rocket under yourself to move faster.

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Digits Kho
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#350 - 2017-01-24 21:40:34 UTC
Speakin of EA, does this guy still work at ccp?
Link
Pestilen Ratte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#351 - 2017-01-29 10:06:47 UTC
It is interesting to wonder how much folks think CCP are worth.

The business model is tech based, so that is a plus in modern markets. However, Iceland is sort of European and so has crazy high labour costs, for unit of productivity. And then there are the costs of getting folks to and from Iceland. So that would be a huge negative, being located in Iceland.

I think the big question must be the revenue and debt situation, especially since Valk. Eve has revenues that can be guessed at, but nobody knows how much money Valkerie made or lost. We do know that CCP went to capital markets to borrow marketing budget for the global release, which was telling. That means CCP was getting the major piece of the game sales, but that they were having to bet the farm on promoting it themselves. Who knows how that went?

If it went well (Valk sold vast number of copies), then CCP might be for sale because the owners can ask a staggering amount of money in the brave new world of VR gaming. If it went badly, CCP might be for sale because the revenues from Eve can't hope to support all the Eve staff and the Valk debt at the same time. The answer would be to wind down staff costs, wind up Eve revenues, and hope like hell the some sucker buys the firm before folks realise that the debt from the Valk scheme broke the firm.

Now when CCP went to private capital markets to get skin in the game for Valk, my impression was that all was not well in VR land.
I mean, lookit. CCP already had zuckerberg and facebook as partners. So they couldn't get a cheap marketing deal there? Really? And Sony, who tend to know what they are doing, refused to make any single game a major headline for their VR platform. I understand their reasoning was that they did not wish to favour any studio, for fear of discouraging others.

Regardless, it would lovely to look at the financials, and get a feel for what the company is worth, and what they are asking.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#352 - 2017-01-29 10:45:26 UTC
I still think the MMO part of the Eve brand is going to be the dinosaur in the room. It's already gone "Freemium".

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#353 - 2017-01-29 10:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Pestilen Ratte wrote:
It is interesting to wonder how much folks think CCP are worth.

As much as someone is willing to give. Not much in my oppinion. For sure not as much as the numbers that fly in those news. They are ridiculous. But then, when they want to sell, they will obviously throw as much as their business, greedy finance guy is able to escape with, without being accused of a mental health problem.

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King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#354 - 2017-01-29 13:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: King Aires
Pestilen Ratte wrote:
It is interesting to wonder how much folks think CCP are worth.

The business model is tech based, so that is a plus in modern markets. However, Iceland is sort of European and so has crazy high labour costs, for unit of productivity. And then there are the costs of getting folks to and from Iceland. So that would be a huge negative, being located in Iceland.

I think the big question must be the revenue and debt situation, especially since Valk. Eve has revenues that can be guessed at, but nobody knows how much money Valkerie made or lost. We do know that CCP went to capital markets to borrow marketing budget for the global release, which was telling. That means CCP was getting the major piece of the game sales, but that they were having to bet the farm on promoting it themselves. Who knows how that went?

If it went well (Valk sold vast number of copies), then CCP might be for sale because the owners can ask a staggering amount of money in the brave new world of VR gaming. If it went badly, CCP might be for sale because the revenues from Eve can't hope to support all the Eve staff and the Valk debt at the same time. The answer would be to wind down staff costs, wind up Eve revenues, and hope like hell the some sucker buys the firm before folks realise that the debt from the Valk scheme broke the firm.

Now when CCP went to private capital markets to get skin in the game for Valk, my impression was that all was not well in VR land.
I mean, lookit. CCP already had zuckerberg and facebook as partners. So they couldn't get a cheap marketing deal there? Really? And Sony, who tend to know what they are doing, refused to make any single game a major headline for their VR platform. I understand their reasoning was that they did not wish to favour any studio, for fear of discouraging others.

Regardless, it would lovely to look at the financials, and get a feel for what the company is worth, and what they are asking.


We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.

Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.

Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.

Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.

The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?

All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.

And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#355 - 2017-01-29 13:52:33 UTC
[tinfoil]

The development cycle has slowed to a crawl and CCP has missed numerous release dates for relatively simple features (SKINs anyone?) Why? Due dilligence and everyone is most likely interviewing with the prospective new buyer.

Big announcement at FanFest 2017: We're sold!

[/tinfoil]

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#356 - 2017-01-29 13:59:44 UTC
King Aires wrote:


We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.

Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.

Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.

Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.

The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?

All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.

And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk.

What about PlayStation VR? Valkyrie is available there also.

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King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#357 - 2017-01-29 14:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: King Aires
Nana Skalski wrote:
King Aires wrote:


We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.

Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.

Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.

Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.

The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?

All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.

And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk.

What about PlayStation VR? Valkyrie is available there also.



It is now, but prior to the Holidays they didn't have support for it yet. Like I said, it was just a rough estimation.

Essentially though adding all the VR sales together, even if every one who bought VR also bought Valk, I don't think it is profitable yet and that isn't even including operating costs.

Edit: Ok, the PlayVR is selling like crap. They wanted to have 2.6m units sold in 2016 and they barely broke half a mil. Oculus was anticipating 350k sold and fell short. At least according to Gamestop/Game media groups.

I know everyone with Oculus got Valk, but the PS guys would have to shell out another 45usd for that, and I bet not all did.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#358 - 2017-01-29 14:21:57 UTC
King Aires wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
King Aires wrote:


We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.

Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.

Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.

Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.

The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?

All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.

And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk.

What about PlayStation VR? Valkyrie is available there also.



It is now, but prior to the Holidays they didn't have support for it yet. Like I said, it was just a rough estimation.

Essentially though adding all the VR sales together, even if every one who bought VR also bought Valk, I don't think it is profitable yet and that isn't even including operating costs.

They also have microtransactions in Valkyrie. I think they at least covered their expenses with those games.

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King Aires
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#359 - 2017-01-29 14:24:11 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:

They also have microtransactions in Valkyrie. I think they at least covered their expenses with those games.


lol, no I highly doubt they covered even a fraction of their expense.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#360 - 2017-01-29 15:26:04 UTC
King Aires wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:

They also have microtransactions in Valkyrie. I think they at least covered their expenses with those games.


lol, no I highly doubt they covered even a fraction of their expense.


Well, Valkyrie was developed for real cheap. The core was an after hours project by a bunch of developers, and when it was greenlighted for full production, it got a 14 men team in Newcastle. I would venture development for Valkyrie it's below the 2 million $, including Hollywood voice acting.

The 30 million loan was to develop future porjects, and the value of those projects is what really matters since if VR fails, those projects and thus the 30 millon and CCP will be worth a lot less than currently.

What's true is that VR numbers are bad and they could be in a vicious circle. Who's gonna spend money developing a AAA game for a pool of just 700,000 Sony VR devices? And who's gonna buy a VR set to play the kind of game you can develop when you expect single digit million $ in return?