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[Bosena Accords] Teonusude Warclone Refuge Citadel

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Matar Ronin
#21 - 2017-01-13 07:16:36 UTC
Pixy seems like you are still offering fresh meat for the grinder, high risk jobs?
How about on the job safety for people, not meat puppets, but people with greater strength and faster reflexes?

Groundpounders caught a bad deal, but what you seem to be proposing is just an extension of violent exploitation.

The clone mercs came from all over trying to "reclaim" an area you never owned will just lead to endless warfare.

If that is what you are offering what is new about that?

My corp an alliance employs many many clone mercs, yes some operate as body guards and corporate police to take advantage of their battle skills and reflexes but most are just working their way up the corp ladder like any other employee. My personal chief of staff is a former dust commander and his leadership skills,experience, integrity, and intelligence are of a greater value to our organizations then his clone ability.

I'll say this to all capsuleers, hire a clone combat vet in your organization, give him or her a future and you'll find no harder working employee ready to be a part of a team again, a team they'd fight for if required.

If you need a detachment for specific events to provide security we can provide them at a reasonable cost. We are rebuilding lives by offering paths that have honor and value to the New Eden Cluster not just continued hazards.

Pixy we can offer you some contracts if it will help you turn things towards a more productive and profitable use of clone mercs, what you might be trying to do is a good idea, let's just make sure it doesn't jump off the rails by trying to go uphill way too fast.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Galm Eskola-Fae
Varyazi Clade
Round Table Assembly
#22 - 2017-01-13 10:15:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Galm Eskola-Fae
Matar Ronin wrote:
Pixy seems like you are still offering fresh meat for the grinder, high risk jobs?
How about on the job safety for people, not meat puppets, but people with greater strength and faster reflexes?

Groundpounders caught a bad deal, but what you seem to be proposing is just an extension of violent exploitation.


What I am offering, is a chance. For them to live outside of combat, and for them to escape the troubles that come with it if they so choose. I don't expect a capsuleer to understand but death and "going through the meat grinder" means nothing to our sort. It's a constant part of life for us, and something that I myself hardly care about anymore as death, for us, has been rendered even more meaningless than it is to the capsuleer. Rest assured, if anyone wants to leave this life it isn't because they can no longer endure the pain of dying time and time again. Were that the case, none of the men and women that make up our signatories wouldn't even be here to begin with.

The real toll, and what many may well be willing to escape, is seeing the impact that our skirmishes have on the local population and the constant persecution that we face by empire entities. Moreover what I suggest is merely a natural, sensible response to the Villore Assembly's call to apply warclone technology to vital roles in society. Having immortal veterans who already have access to this technology fill these roles is just good sense, and while you may claim that this is just me "putting them through the meat grinder" that fails to highlight how critically important many of these jobs are. Firefighters, miners, nuclear technicians, all of these jobs are critically important but ought to provide those few brave specialists that specialize in these fields a backup failsafe should the worst come to pass.

I think offering voluntary employment to those who choose to seek it is a far, far cry from running them "through the meat grinder."

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The clone mercs came from all over trying to "reclaim" an area you never owned will just lead to endless warfare.

If that is what you are offering what is new about that?

That is not what I am offering, as I have explained repeatedly. I, nor anyone in the Accords, is out to seek land or territory in any of this. Our primary concern is with reconstruction efforts, connecting with cut off mercenary clans, and upholding a temporary cease-fire.

This is radically, radically different the picture you paint of driving Molden Heath into perpetual war. In fact, to this date my units have faced only minor opposition among actual clone soldiers thanks to our extensive list of high-profile signatories previously a part of the mercenary community. Indeed, to date is seems like there has been far more pushback from the capsuleer community on this project than I have ever gotten from the actual mercenaries.

Quote:
My corp an alliance employs many many clone mercs, yes some operate as body guards and corporate police to take advantage of their battle skills and reflexes but most are just working their way up the corp ladder like any other employee. My personal chief of staff is a former dust commander and his leadership skills,experience, integrity, and intelligence are of a greater value to our organizations then his clone ability.

I'll say this to all capsuleers, hire a clone combat vet in your organization, give him or her a future and you'll find no harder working employee ready to be a part of a team again, a team they'd fight for if required.

If you need a detachment for specific events to provide security we can provide them at a reasonable cost. We are rebuilding lives by offering paths that have honor and value to the New Eden Cluster not just continued hazards.

Pixy we can offer you some contracts if it will help you turn things towards a more productive and profitable use of clone mercs, what you might be trying to do is a good idea, let's just make sure it doesn't jump off the rails by trying to go uphill way too fast.


Ah. I see what this is now.

So my plan, which I have explained at length now the goals and methods and how they are not at all set on conquest... Must surely be destined for failure. So it would be best if I were to just abandon them outright in favor of selling out my organization to your alliance? I should just abandon this dream I have (and I suppose the citadel too) to be your employee and have my army of veteran soldiers at your beck and call?

Ah, how fortunate
that such a kind benefactor such as you is willing to deliver me from the foolish notion that I, a simple clone soldier, can think on my own or build anything of my own seperate from the will of a capsuleer! If you hadn't come along, well, who knows what I could have gotten up to! I'm sure you'll take care of us, feed us, provide us support so long as we pay you for the cost and all the while we can be your favorite little pet.

Simply? Get bent. I'm not going to sell out just yet.
Matar Ronin
#23 - 2017-01-13 11:26:12 UTC
Galm Eskola-Fae wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Pixy seems like you are still offering fresh meat for the grinder, high risk jobs?
How about on the job safety for people, not meat puppets, but people with greater strength and faster reflexes?

Groundpounders caught a bad deal, but what you seem to be proposing is just an extension of violent exploitation.

Edited for space
I think offering voluntary employment to those who choose to seek it is a far, far cry from running them "through the meat grinder."

Quote:
The clone mercs came from all over trying to "reclaim" an area you never owned will just lead to endless warfare.

If that is what you are offering what is new about that?

That is not what I am offering, as I have explained repeatedly. I, nor anyone in the Accords, is out to seek land or territory in any of this. Our primary concern is with reconstruction efforts, connecting with cut off mercenary clans, and upholding a temporary cease-fire.

This is radically, radically different the picture you paint of driving Molden Heath into perpetual war. In fact, to this date my units have faced only minor opposition among actual clone soldiers thanks to our extensive list of high-profile signatories previously a part of the mercenary community. Indeed, to date is seems like there has been far more pushback from the capsuleer community on this project than I have ever gotten from the actual mercenaries.

Quote:
My corp an alliance employs many many clone mercs, yes some operate as body guards and corporate police to take advantage of their battle skills and reflexes but most are just working their way up the corp ladder like any other employee. My personal chief of staff is a former dust commander and his leadership skills,experience, integrity, and intelligence are of a greater value to our organizations then his clone ability.

I'll say this to all capsuleers, hire a clone combat vet in your organization, give him or her a future and you'll find no harder working employee ready to be a part of a team again, a team they'd fight for if required.

If you need a detachment for specific events to provide security we can provide them at a reasonable cost. We are rebuilding lives by offering paths that have honor and value to the New Eden Cluster not just continued hazards.

Pixy we can offer you some contracts if it will help you turn things towards a more productive and profitable use of clone mercs, what you might be trying to do is a good idea, let's just make sure it doesn't jump off the rails by trying to go uphill way too fast.


Ah. I see what this is now.

So my plan, which I have explained at length now the goals and methods and how they are not at all set on conquest... Must surely be destined for failure. So it would be best if I were to just abandon them outright in favor of selling out my organization to your alliance? I should just abandon this dream I have (and I suppose the citadel too) to be your employee and have my army of veteran soldiers at your beck and call?

Ah, how fortunate
that such a kind benefactor such as you is willing to deliver me from the foolish notion that I, a simple clone soldier, can think on my own or build anything of my own seperate from the will of a capsuleer! If you hadn't come along, well, who knows what I could have gotten up to! I'm sure you'll take care of us, feed us, provide us support so long as we pay you for the cost and all the while we can be your favorite little pet.

Simply? Get bent. I'm not going to sell out just yet.
Pixy the anger you seem to have directed at me is uncalled for. I have made you an offer of assistance if you care to accept it. The reason you might be getting more "pushback" from Capsuleers is because we see 10,000 scams a day.

I was a groundpounder before I became a Capsuleer so I have great respect for the skills it takes. I made a friendly offer to help and you slap the hand of friendship away for no apparent reason. Ego driven organizations can be successful for many people involved in them but rarely for the New Eden Cluster at large.

You are either looking for people to swallow what you are peddling hook, line, and sinker or you classify them an enemy, good luck with that. You might want to notice when someones says "if it will" it implies you'd be able to see the benefits or see no benefits when you review the contracts. You sensed no benefits without seeing a single word.

You wrote a very militant sounding post and you are slapping at someone trying to offer help, clearly you got some messaging issues. Now you can continue to attack while telling us you want to be the great peace maker, or you could put your over sized ego on the back burner and see who wants to help you help warclones get a better deal out of life.

Choose them or your ego.
The choice you make will tell everyone exactly where you stand without doubt.
So what's it going to be?

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2017-01-19 06:10:07 UTC
As a Cardinal of the Sixth Empire, and friend to all free folk of New Eden, I approve this message from the Bosena Accords. I will bring this to His Holiness Max Singularity's attention, and see if we may arrange a personal blessing on your endeavours. As I believe you have the best interests of baselines, Empyreans, and immortals at heart, you fly with the Sixth in heart, if not name.

Benedictus
/S/ Verdis deMosays
Cardinal of the Sixth Empire
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2017-01-22 00:56:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kador Ouryon
Matar Ronin wrote:

Choose them or your ego.
The choice you make will tell everyone exactly where you stand without doubt.
So what's it going to be?



The rich irony is that you own ego is what is cluttering the discussion on this release.

As a signatory I place my trust in Galm and his ideals, knowing full well that he is committed to the improvement of the quality of life for veterans of cloned soldier conflicts. Breaking down the conflicts rather than positioning himself to stand as a warlord over an ashen heap. He will have my support so long as that remains his steadfast goal.

I don't know you, I haven't worked with you, frankly I don't trust you. I my opinion Galm doesn't need false pity.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.

Galm Eskola-Fae
Varyazi Clade
Round Table Assembly
#26 - 2017-01-22 01:10:15 UTC
Verdis deMosays wrote:
As a Cardinal of the Sixth Empire, and friend to all free folk of New Eden, I approve this message from the Bosena Accords. I will bring this to His Holiness Max Singularity's attention, and see if we may arrange a personal blessing on your endeavours. As I believe you have the best interests of baselines, Empyreans, and immortals at heart, you fly with the Sixth in heart, if not name.

Benedictus
/S/ Verdis deMosays
Cardinal of the Sixth Empire

I have always had a deep respect for the Sixth Empire. I must say, it is immensely humbling to know that we have your support in this endeavour and I will strive to ensure that our actions do justice to the all the implications that come with your blessing.

From the bottom of my heart, rikaato.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2017-01-22 14:39:58 UTC
What sort of support and resources are you currently lacking? I've been meaning to speak to you the matter, but have been kept busy as of late.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Galm Eskola-Fae
Varyazi Clade
Round Table Assembly
#28 - 2017-01-29 23:54:39 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
What sort of support and resources are you currently lacking? I've been meaning to speak to you the matter, but have been kept busy as of late.

You're support is deeply appreciated ma'am, especially given recent developments. I apologise for the late response, as I've been making frequent trips back-and-forth planetside and to the Warclone Refuge. The Citadel itself is coming along well and slowly filling with refugees and immortal soldiers alike. The real problem right now as the local population planetside.

Supplies have been incredibly scarce, and many of the locals are suffering for it. Morally, I feel like we have the responcibility to help them to the best of our ability. Pragmatically, it is in our best interest to do so as tensions have started to rise now that many of the more wealthy and powerful soldiers in the region are starting to rally to our citadel while the poorest and most disenfranchised are forced to suffer below. It's sending the wrong message, even if they don't realise that we're barely able to keep the Citadel stocked ourselves.

Currently, there are two ways we can help this situation. Either by disrupting the pirates that make it difficult to move supplies into and out of Bosena, or by moving greater supplies into the region to support the locals. Milk, blankets, water bottles, every little bit helps.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#29 - 2017-01-30 01:11:11 UTC
Galm Eskola-Fae wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
What sort of support and resources are you currently lacking? I've been meaning to speak to you the matter, but have been kept busy as of late.

You're support is deeply appreciated ma'am, especially given recent developments. I apologise for the late response, as I've been making frequent trips back-and-forth planetside and to the Warclone Refuge. The Citadel itself is coming along well and slowly filling with refugees and immortal soldiers alike. The real problem right now as the local population planetside.

Supplies have been incredibly scarce, and many of the locals are suffering for it. Morally, I feel like we have the responcibility to help them to the best of our ability. Pragmatically, it is in our best interest to do so as tensions have started to rise now that many of the more wealthy and powerful soldiers in the region are starting to rally to our citadel while the poorest and most disenfranchised are forced to suffer below. It's sending the wrong message, even if they don't realise that we're barely able to keep the Citadel stocked ourselves.

Currently, there are two ways we can help this situation. Either by disrupting the pirates that make it difficult to move supplies into and out of Bosena, or by moving greater supplies into the region to support the locals. Milk, blankets, water bottles, every little bit helps.

I'll coordinate with my staff and see what we can do. And don't worry about the delay. It happens. Anvatkaa.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

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