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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#201 - 2017-01-12 16:33:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


If you are having such a bad time with the game and think it's gameplay is 'diarrhea', Why are you playing. If you are playing, and if you aren't why are you posting.

Yea I ask this question a lot and never really get an answer, I understand that some people just live to complain but i'm honestly curious. It's not like someone is putting a gun to someone's head and saying "play EVE or die"...


I usually attribute it to a sunk cost fallacy. People are not willing to drop something they invested money/time in. It's a damn game but they can't let it go. I really did see people who legitimately hate a game and still play it because of it. It's sad to see.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#202 - 2017-01-12 16:37:33 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

If you are playing, and if you aren't why are you posting.

I wouldn't expect you to understand a non-upvote message board model.


What exactly does that have to do with anything? I made mo mention of message boards.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#203 - 2017-01-12 16:43:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

If you are playing, and if you aren't why are you posting.

I wouldn't expect you to understand a non-upvote message board model.


What exactly does that have to do with anything? I made mo mention of message boards.

QED

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#204 - 2017-01-12 16:57:46 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

If you are playing, and if you aren't why are you posting.

I wouldn't expect you to understand a non-upvote message board model.


What exactly does that have to do with anything? I made mo mention of message boards.

QED


I get it, you're really bored today.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#205 - 2017-01-12 17:11:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Ho hum, this is a complicated game with many different ways to play it, it is perfectly normal to find aspects of this game unbalanced and an issue and other parts so good that you enjoy it. To say people who criticise the game do not like the game is rather simplistic, the OP did not like the silly mechanics around the scam contracts using the ability to close off access to the citadel as a way to gain the collateral and he explained that as a new player it wiped him out. This type of issue is at the door of good game design most of all, he did not know to decline all hauler contracts to citadels, is that good mechanic design?

Eve has so much going for it, the very sophisticated combat with capitals are a joy to behold and I hope that more Alphas get a chance to see it and experience it and that they do not get turned away by this stupid mechanic before that happens.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
KindOfSneaky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#206 - 2017-01-12 17:33:44 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Ho hum, this is a complicated game with many different ways to play it, it is perfectly normal to find aspects of this game unbalanced and an issue and other parts so good taht you enjoy it. To say people who criticise the game do not like the game is rather simplistic, the OP did not like the silly mechanics around the scam contracts using the ability to close off access to the citadel as a way to gain the collateral and he explained that as a new player it wiped him out. This type of issue is at the door of good game design most of all, he did not know to decline all hauler contracts to citadels, is that good mechanic design?

Eve has so much going for it, the very sophisticated combat with capitals are a joy to behold and I hope that more Alphas get a chance to see it and experience it and that they do not get turned away by this stupid mechanic before that happens.


Did you just use the phrase 'sophisticated combat' and 'capitals' in the same sentence? Capitals are the most boring ships to fly...
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#207 - 2017-01-12 17:38:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

If you are playing, and if you aren't why are you posting.

I wouldn't expect you to understand a non-upvote message board model.


What exactly does that have to do with anything? I made mo mention of message boards.

QED


I get it, you're really bored today.

yeah!

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Velarra
#208 - 2017-01-12 17:49:26 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:


To quote someone at CCP, here's something every new player should read

CCP Falcon wrote:


While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.



Unfortunately this was written before the current NPE, that a fresh account, alpha is being exposed to.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#209 - 2017-01-12 17:59:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


If you are having such a bad time with the game and think it's gameplay is 'diarrhea', Why are you playing. If you are playing, and if you aren't why are you posting.

Yea I ask this question a lot and never really get an answer, I understand that some people just live to complain but i'm honestly curious. It's not like someone is putting a gun to someone's head and saying "play EVE or die"...


I usually attribute it to a sunk cost fallacy. People are not willing to drop something they invested money/time in. It's a damn game but they can't let it go. I really did see people who legitimately hate a game and still play it because of it. It's sad to see.

For me EVE is like a hobby of sorts. I really like making stuff tied somehow to New Eden. From spaceships, to headwear and other stuff like map of the island I have basically took from one planet and made a story of how it was inhabited.

I see this world as very co-designable by players like me. And all this design can stay separate from the game.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#210 - 2017-01-12 18:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
KindOfSneaky wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Ho hum, this is a complicated game with many different ways to play it, it is perfectly normal to find aspects of this game unbalanced and an issue and other parts so good taht you enjoy it. To say people who criticise the game do not like the game is rather simplistic, the OP did not like the silly mechanics around the scam contracts using the ability to close off access to the citadel as a way to gain the collateral and he explained that as a new player it wiped him out. This type of issue is at the door of good game design most of all, he did not know to decline all hauler contracts to citadels, is that good mechanic design?

Eve has so much going for it, the very sophisticated combat with capitals are a joy to behold and I hope that more Alphas get a chance to see it and experience it and that they do not get turned away by this stupid mechanic before that happens.


Did you just use the phrase 'sophisticated combat' and 'capitals' in the same sentence? Capitals are the most boring ships to fly...


Your comment on simplistic is in my opinion applied to carriers before they set up all these different fighter types, I also did not make it clear that this was medium to large fleet combat. I have seen some pretty interesting combat occur with these new fighter types and the way they work, add that to things like defender missile destroyers against bombs and those destroyers than can strip away logi and we see a much more sophisticated game play. This is one area where Eve does get it and CCP should be praised on this side of the game.

One very important aspect is using carriers along with space superiority fighters to counter supers, this makes it very interesting for smaller entities that before were basically screwed.

For my part I think it is sad to see players turned away by this type of scam collateral contract before they have a chance to see the real interesting parts of this game. The impact from ganking and scams is always most damaging on those players who are just getting to a point where they feel progress and go back to having nothing, yes it is a hard game, but when this happens with poor mechanics it is not good for the health of the game.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
KindOfSneaky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2017-01-12 18:43:54 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Your comment on simplistic is in my opinion applied to carriers before they set up all these different fighter types, I also did not make it clear that this was medium to large fleet combat. I have seen some pretty interesting combat occur with these new fighter types and the way they work, add that to things like defender missile destroyers against bombs and those destroyers than can strip away logi and we see a much more sophisticated game play. This is one area where Eve does get it and CCP should be praised on this side of the game.

One very important aspect is using carriers along with space superiority fighters to counter supers, this makes it very interesting for smaller entities that before were basically screwed.

For my part I think it is sad to see players turned away by this type of scam collateral contract before they have a chance to see the real interesting parts of this game. The impact from ganking and scams is always most damaging on those players who are just getting to a point where they feel progress and go back to having nothing, yes it is a hard game, but when this happens with poor mechanics it is not good for the health of the game.


Ganking and scamming are what have kept this game going for 13+ years. Without them it would have died a long time ago. And I will repeat myself, capital ships are extremely boring, and the simplest, most mindless ships to fly in the game.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#212 - 2017-01-12 18:50:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
KindOfSneaky wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Your comment on simplistic is in my opinion applied to carriers before they set up all these different fighter types, I also did not make it clear that this was medium to large fleet combat. I have seen some pretty interesting combat occur with these new fighter types and the way they work, add that to things like defender missile destroyers against bombs and those destroyers than can strip away logi and we see a much more sophisticated game play. This is one area where Eve does get it and CCP should be praised on this side of the game.

One very important aspect is using carriers along with space superiority fighters to counter supers, this makes it very interesting for smaller entities that before were basically screwed.

For my part I think it is sad to see players turned away by this type of scam collateral contract before they have a chance to see the real interesting parts of this game. The impact from ganking and scams is always most damaging on those players who are just getting to a point where they feel progress and go back to having nothing, yes it is a hard game, but when this happens with poor mechanics it is not good for the health of the game.


Ganking and scamming are what have kept this game going for 13+ years. Without them it would have died a long time ago. And I will repeat myself, capital ships are extremely boring, and the simplest, most mindless ships to fly in the game.


Again a simplistic reply, let me put it very clearly so you can get it, ganking and scamming have a part in the game, the issue is when the mechanics make it too easy, your reply suggests incorrectly that I want to block ganking and scamming which is certainly not the case.

The new system is rather good, have you even tried it? I see you blapping MTU's which is a very boring thing to do, I checked your killboard and have not seen a single carrier loss or kill but 33 MTU's, now that may not be your main, but I suspect that you have not used a carrier recently in a medium sized fleet battle. For my own part I played around with some carriers and spoke to some FC's who do this and they were very happy with the new system.

EDIT: The alliance you are in also has no capital kills or losses, looks like just a throw away line to me...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#213 - 2017-01-12 19:26:39 UTC
This thread has gone down hill throughout the last couple pages. Please get the discussion back on topic or we will lock the thread to avoid off-topic rants and other nonsense.

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KindOfSneaky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2017-01-12 19:45:35 UTC  |  Edited by: KindOfSneaky
Dracvlad wrote:
Again a simplistic reply, let me put it very clearly so you can get it, ganking and scamming have a part in the game, the issue is when the mechanics make it too easy, your reply suggests incorrectly that I want to block ganking and scamming which is certainly not the case.

The new system is rather good, have you even tried it? I see you blapping MTU's which is a very boring thing to do, I checked your killboard and have not seen a single carrier loss or kill but 33 MTU's, now that may not be your main, but I suspect that you have not used a carrier recently in a medium sized fleet battle. For my own part I played around with some carriers and spoke to some FC's who do this and they were very happy with the new system.

EDIT: The alliance you are in also has no capital kills or losses, looks like just a throw away line to me...


Today you learned people have multiple accounts. Ganking and scamming have been nerfed more and more over the years, and the playerbase has declined as a result. Let's keep nerfing ganking and scamming in a game that advertises "you can be the villian." Solid logic!

I appreciate the condescension in your posts though, it definitely makes me take you seriously.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#215 - 2017-01-12 21:25:14 UTC
I see Drac is up to his usual trick of checking killboards as a metric for judging a forum opponent, despite claiming he doesn't care about killboards.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#216 - 2017-01-12 22:22:16 UTC
KindOfSneaky wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Again a simplistic reply, let me put it very clearly so you can get it, ganking and scamming have a part in the game, the issue is when the mechanics make it too easy, your reply suggests incorrectly that I want to block ganking and scamming which is certainly not the case.

The new system is rather good, have you even tried it? I see you blapping MTU's which is a very boring thing to do, I checked your killboard and have not seen a single carrier loss or kill but 33 MTU's, now that may not be your main, but I suspect that you have not used a carrier recently in a medium sized fleet battle. For my own part I played around with some carriers and spoke to some FC's who do this and they were very happy with the new system.

EDIT: The alliance you are in also has no capital kills or losses, looks like just a throw away line to me...


Today you learned people have multiple accounts. Ganking and scamming have been nerfed more and more over the years, and the playerbase has declined as a result. Let's keep nerfing ganking and scamming in a game that advertises "you can be the villian." Solid logic!

I appreciate the condescension in your posts though, it definitely makes me take you seriously.


Oh my god I have found out that I have multiple accounts too, never realised that, but I post on my main, not like you and others, cowards...

Ganking has two major imbalances, bumping and loot scooping via DST's, recently CCP increased freighter wrecks massively when AG was ganking the wrecks, how was that for a buff when we started to destroy the freighter wrecks and gankers cried for a nerf because they could not stop small fast ships, who would have guessed that? And CCP realised what they had done so they increased freighter EHP to balance up on the DCU change and you lot cried nerf, well I would prefer to have the wrecks like they have been for years and forgo that nerf or was that a buff. Twisted

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#217 - 2017-01-13 01:16:40 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

If you are playing, and if you aren't why are you posting.

I wouldn't expect you to understand a non-upvote message board model.


What exactly does that have to do with anything? I made mo mention of message boards.

QED



QED - "quod erat demonstrandum", a Latin phrase - "a notation which is often placed at the end of a mathematical proof to indicate its completion."

How fitting, to use a dead language.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#218 - 2017-01-13 07:48:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I see Drac is up to his usual trick of checking killboards as a metric for judging a forum opponent, despite claiming he doesn't care about killboards.


But I have seen you go on and on in C&P about posting with ones main, I happen to post with my main isn't that the same thing?

You are however missing one important factor in the reason why I looked at his unimpressive killboard, you see he made a statement of capitals being boring and I wanted to check if his statement had any value by assessing his actual use of them, and because he failed to post with his main all I could find was 33 MTU's. So the value of his statement that capitals were boring was low to non-existent.

I know you have a boner for me and must jump in and make the same old boring comments again and again, but my not caring about my own killboard does not mean I do not look at others as part of intelligence gathering to see if that persons words have any value. As far as I am concerned his posts have no value in terms of capitals, but if I want to ask about bashing MTU's I will ask him as he is obviously an expert.

It is like asking you about the inside of stations, you are an expert in that, I certainly would not ask you anything about PvP etc., because you have no experience. Does that help in explaining things to you at a level that you could possibly understand it, maybe not from your past posting experience, actually I might just block you. you are so damn boring after all.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Varg Euronymous
Wonderland Death Squad
#219 - 2017-01-13 18:35:19 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Well, Since you made up your mind to leave, I hope you will take some time to listen to CCP's In House Band. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

Surprisingly good music for an amateur band.



I almost feel like this song was made just for these sort of posts
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#220 - 2017-01-13 18:47:29 UTC
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2. Be respectful toward others at all times.

The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.

3. Ranting is prohibited.

A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.

4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.


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