EVE General Discussion

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Chess is played on a even playfield, same number of pieces, with rules that are really easy to understand and remember, instead of the circonvoluted, byzantine and very exploitable bizarre gameplay mechanics that EvE sports -not even considering the meta lying and deception, which are impossible in chess-

You're a sad tryhard trying to compare a real game with balanced engagements, with the Schadenfreude-heavy cheesefest EvE presently is




EvE PvPers are notoriously horrible at twitch PvP: they play tough guys in New Eden because they can "best" others by playing meta mind tricks and exploiting mechanics
It's really less of a game, and more of an online platform for some weird category of online gamers to huff and puff because they exploit the tacit contract between gamers not to go out of their way to be a nuisance to each other.

EVE is a PVP game. If you want to avoid PVP, then you don't log in. Simple. EVE is apparently not for you, and that's fine, but if you're making the mistake of thinking it has anything that is not somehow related to driving or facilitating PVP, then you don't understand what EVE is meant to be.

Hello, I recently tried this game "Farmville" for a while and I thought I write a review about it. since it is along the same line of OPs review I thought I may add it here:

0/10 Farming
I am not really into farming, so I think this aspect of the game is rather boring and just plain repetitive. The whole aspect of farming to make gold to be able to farm even more seams absolutely horrible to me and should be removed.

0/10 Open World PvP
As a manily PvP player myself I have to say this aspect of the game is severely lacking. I don't know what the developer where thinking when they designed the game but it seams they only listen to the farming enthusiasts out there and completely ignore that there are people who are not into farming and want open world PvP instead.

Other negative things:
basically everything I did not already mention

General view on the game:
I think the game is insanely boring and not at all fun like advertised. I don't see the point in playing it if the developer not cater to my wishes and implement better open world PvP and don't force everyone into farming. I think they are losing money because of this and may not be able to feed their family in the future.

I've been saying this about every other post on these forums since 2008 when i started posting

There are people who have been playing EVE for years who totally despise non-consensual pvp (one of the pillars upon which EVE sits). I've read posts from people who hate it so much they want a "pve server" (stomping all over another pillar, the one shard world). Time and time again I've watched people rage about awoxing and scamming and stealing in a game advertised as a place where it's ok to be the bad guy if you want (I don't want personally, but bad guys are content).

It's just an aspect of human nature. I actually know people IRL who HATE the place they live and have the resources to move, but they won't move because they are determined to make the place they live into "a better place for everyone". This, despite the fact that no one else who lives there agrees with their version of 'better' . Hell, we all realize that the smuck's definition of 'better' actually means "more to my personal liking" lol. This one guy shows up to every neighborhood association meeting and most city councilman's meet and greets with the same "plan" and no matter that not a single other person supports his plan or how many times you tell him to F$%^ off, he comes right back the next month banging the same drum.







Been saying this for as long as well. back then the excuse was "but there are not other space games". Then a bunch of other space games popped up, now the excuse is "but they aren't like EVE"!. I predict that one day someone will make another game set in space that's a lot like EVE, at which time the excuse will morph into "but I have so much invested in EVE!!!".

How would you program it? It's your citadel, you pay for it (building costs, operating costs), so you should have full control over who can dock and who cannot, correct? Keep in mind that out in 0.0 space there are wars and enemies, and you wouldn't want your enemies to dock at your citadel and set up a base of operations with spare ships ready to go. So, how would you program it to give the owner full control, as it is fair, but at the same time let any schmuck create a delivery contract and take it with his alt, and be guaranteed to be able to dock at the citadel to "complete" said contract?

Look at the other scams. Contract scams; how can you program the contracts to let players exchange anything and ask for any price, but at the same time prevent overpriced scams? Let players name their contracts what they want, for convenience, but at the same time prevent name trick scams? Let people chat any text they want in the local chat channel, but prevent the spam that's happening in Jita?



PLEX was added a few years ago; the game operated without PLEX, and without Alpha, just subscriptions and make your ISK mining and doing missions and whatever, for half a decade before that. People still got rich, and stuff was definitely not fair. From m0o's adventures in blockading high-sec, to the various 0.0 and lowsec wars, to gatecamping and suicide ganks and Yulai scams and spam (was Yulai back then, moved to Jita later, not related to PLEX, but because CCP re-configured the stargates to map differently), nothing was fair, everything was as PVP'ey and unfair as it is now. There's no fairness in combat, and this is a combat game. Focus fire, hot drops, gate camp traps, theft, scamming, all were available and used from the start.

You can play without PLEX at all. We spent years to get the billions, you can do so too. PLEX is a shortcut, and just like other games, feel free to take the P2W shortcut, or feel free to NOT.

It's a matter of opinion. Many people are being told to not ***** at things without providing at least a direction of solution. If you don't know the deeps end of things in EVE, it's easy to have an odd opinion about any subject and thinking it could be better if X happened. The feedback, right or wrong, from those new trials kinda need to be seen one way or another. They might be 100% wrong but I would guess many just provide their honest opinion. Hell you could probably do a 40 day trial without really learning the "basic pillar" of the game because you are busy enjoying yourself in ships and getting lost in the vast expanse of space.

1. No, you don't understand the system:

- Player A has the citadel and can decide who can dock. He gives access to a number of friends, a number of corps, and a number of random alliances that he likes.

- Player B makes a PUBLIC contract for someone to move his junk to this citadel. Contract can be picked up by anyone. Player B doesn't know who's going to pick up his contract (when he sets it up) and/or if they have access to the citadel in question. Player B hopes that whoever picks up his contract will be smart enough to check the citadel access first.

- Player C sees a random courier contract and picks it up. Player C has done 15 courier contracts yesterday and wants to continue making money. The contract system gives him a warning that the destination MAY be inaccessible.

Per your solution, Player A or Player C would have the power to change Player B's contracts, depending on when you want the contract to be redirrected or nulled. They shouldn't have that power. They're Player B's contracts, nobody else should have the power to alter them. Being able to alter someone else's contracts can lead to all sorts of new scams, and we'll be wicked enough to find them all.



3. CCP will lose a lot of players, veterans and newbies alike, if they wipe out everyone's stuff and just presents the current game tabula rasa. Basic marketing tells them never to do this. The only way to wipe the slate clean is to code a NEW, improved EVE with better graphics or whatever, and offer that as a new game, then retire this one. Maybe they'll do a VR version, who knows. Whatever the case, wiping out everyone's stuff and asking them to start from scratch will lead to bankruptcy for them.

And let's look at what would happen, anyway, because there is a precedent with the China server opening. It opened some time after the main server, so there were plenty of veterans trained on TQ who suddenly got access to a blank server.

CCP cannot wipe out Goonswarm's, Pandemic Legion's, TEST's, BNI's, and other large or small corporations' and alliances' websites, voice comms, and organization. At server opening, all of them will call alarm clock ops to land-rush all the available space and all the asteroids and rats and missions and moons and planetary PI, all sources of income, and pool the resources of 5000 - 40,000 members together to get a leg up on the market, production lines, and best resources.

You're not going to be able to compete with that. Just like you can't compete, now, with CCP adding a new ship or citadel in-game. They add a bunch of blueprints from pirate factions out in 0.0 or even in the Jita market and guess who has access? Guess who has the manufacturing capabilities of 5,000 - 40,000 characters to be able to produce the tons and tons of advanced materials and components that require moon goo, PI goo, drops from wormholes, and other rare stuff?

With a new server you are going to be shut off even faster than now.


4. Yes you're asking for radical game changes. "Wipe the server", "remove scams from the game."

5. My rant is pointless. You haven't thought of all the ramifications of what you're asking, and actually every few months we have a newbie or two proposing that CCP wipe the servers, and we have to repeat ourselves to explain why that can't happen. Some veterans will take the time and be patient, others will just flame you. In either case, you don't like the game and you're out.

So let's drop it, and just good luck with whatever you do.

I think I'll get a citadel up in a busy mission system. Then have fun switching the clone bay on and off and routinely destroying all the pods and implants there.

Imagine getting to 'pod' all those pilots and never even undock.
Sweet!

Hmmm, what other mayhem can I create with these wonderful new mechanics...

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PLEX contracts in an undockable station! Then charge them for access rights.
Or wait and see who docks with a ship and logs out, then lock them out too. More hostage fees.

That's not really fair, Eve can have plenty of nice cleavage (well not really but the boobage is real)

Though I'm more of an armored amazon kind of guy myself.

If you are having such a bad time with the game and think it's gameplay is 'diarrhea', Why are you playing? If you are playing, and if you aren't why are you posting?

Yea I ask this question a lot and never really get an answer, I understand that some people just live to complain but i'm honestly curious. It's not like someone is putting a gun to someone's head and saying "play EVE or die"...