EVE New Citizens Q&A

Your Phalanx-system in eve is a ship like a destroyer or a cruiser with good tracking that takes care of the small stuff. Mixing different sizes of guns just makes you r overall DPS and damage-application bad at all circumstances. Also, most battleships have a dronebay for dealing with frigates.

Correct. Standard stuff that works in the real world should not be assumed to work in Eve.

So, first of all, you need to read this, because it likely concerns you.

Secondly, Eve is a lot of things, but what it most assuredly is not is "the real world". "Point defense" is a concept on real-world warships because real-world warships don't, for example, "tank" an anti-ship missile. Instead, they get headshot and everyone dies screaming. It's not remotely comparable to combat in Eve.

What actually happens in Eve is that you neuter your raw DPS and, then, on top of that, you ensure that portions of your DPS are basically unusable at different ranges, resulting in a gimpy POS comedy-fit that everyone will link to their friends and, perhaps, return to for a quick chuckle when they're feeling a bit blue.

There are VASTLY better ways for a big ship to deal with small ships that don't require rendering themselves effectively useless. Some examples include:

-Drones
-Webs and grapplers
-Application mods (painters/computers/etc)
-Neuts
-MJDs
-Friends

Finally, a word about ratting: For most of us, if we rat at all, it's a fairly mundane chore that's performed to knock out some cash. Nobody really enjoys it - it's just a cash generating mechanism. Some aspects of Eve can be described as an art, but this is something that has largely been reduced to a science, with specific fits and techniques that have been tweaked and tweaked again to produce the largest bounty ticks with the least effort.

Nobody, but nobody, is mixing in some small autocannons with their real guns on their ratting fits. You can't "point defense" your way into big bounty ticks, and the suggestion that you'll pop if you go ratting with a ship that isn't fit in the uniquely horrible way you've devised is possibly the most hilarious thing I'll read today.

They're remarkably bad fittings (The beam-AB-long point punisher, for instance, seems almost intentionally designed to be useless at every range. No speed to kite, no tracking for brawling, horrible tank, two lows wasted on cap mods, etc.).

You're not a commando so stop hinting at real world skills. You've actually been offered some legit advice, which you have thrown away much like you probably did the advice in bombers bar. In several years of BB running fleets I've never heard anyone say a bad thing (even as a target) so the evidence kind of suggests the following :

1. You have 0 idea what you're talking about regarding EvE, it's playerbase or any tactics military or monetary contained within.

2. You have a bad attitude, preferring to bluff and shout than admit you're new and don't understand things yet.

3. If there are 2 things you should likely avoid for a while, they are Giving Advice to Other New Players and Web Design.

reading OP's replies, well, he's definitely sounds like an a$$.

this is a whine post and has no place in NCQA, IB4L.

Yep... and here above we have 20 posts illustrating the OP's point. Don't say you're newbro friendly of you're not newbro friendly. It's false advertising. If you obviously don't want the newbro's don't ask for them and you wont get them. Then everyone will be happy.

In my corp we are newbro friendly, because, we are all new. So having gone through those learning experiences recently does give us some sympathy toward others going through the same. I must say however that when it comes to tactics and fittings I learn a lot every day. We exchange and learn from each other - and I encourage my corp to experiment. Even though we're pretty flexible with fittings, I do tend to designate a few basic roles and fit those ships to meet them.

That is the difference with a small gang. When you only have 3 or 4 people the kitchen sink can work really well. We have Skirmish, Point, Logi, and Screen. As long as the ship is properly fitted for one of those jobs I don't care too much how it's fitted. As long as we have consistency of prop, tank type, ship size, and the fit is sound, I don't care too much about it.

It's all part of the learning experience. So play round with it and see what works. Small gang and solo PvP requires much more creativity. So maybe you should start there OP. Being a mindless fleet drone doesn't seem to agree with you.

Um, does your newbro corp have one loud guy yelling "we should play this like WoW!!! I'll be tank, so you guys don't need to fit any shields! No, you're doing it wrong!" and then get you all killed? Because that's what the OP is doing. He deserves to be kicked out of every corp he joins. He deserves to be kicked in the nuts for writing that "guide." I've seen full blown trolls and griefers who were less annoying and less dangerous to everyone around them.

It's one thing to be "friendly" it's another thing entirely to say "hey, all that stupid stuff you're saying and doing. Yeah, it's awesome. Let's all be a corp of Leroys!"

I completely understand that it can be frustrating as a new player. There are plenty of corps who do take completely new players and help get you involved in fleets early on. I suggest in the future to let the recruiter know your situation more specifically so you both are on the same page about your skill level etc. Good luck, I really hope you find a corp that you fit in with. Don't forget to check out the new player help channel in game.

However, I'm locking this topic since it breaks one of our forum rules.