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LF 10-20 Bil Loan, 10%, No Collateral
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Nicholas K Severasse
Severasse Trading LLC
#1 - 2017-01-02 01:47:43 UTC
Looking for a 10-20 Bil loan to expand my trading business. This will include station trading, regional trading and hauling. This is an old character and I've come back to the game after being gone several years. Focused mainly on trading last time I played and did very well, but got burned out. Came back to the game and used quite a bit of the capital I had built up to purchase skill injectors and ships to get into wormholes and incursions so I could have more fun with the game this time! Now I'm looking to give my capital a boost and start trading again on my alt account.

- Accepting 10-20 Bil
- Preferably 5 Bil minimum investment
- 10% interest, no collateral loan
- Interest will be paid the first of every month
- Loan time frame undetermined atm

Here is a link to a previous successful loan:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2397292#post2397292

I will be conducting basically the same plan as last time which produced very good profits. I have been back for a month or so now and have already done research and have been putting my plan to the test. Everything is going well just looking for more capital. Feel free to message me in game or reply on forums. Thanks!
Sorao Soreen
Profit to burn
#2 - 2017-01-02 04:19:32 UTC
Lol.... here take my money 10/0bil no collateral sounds perfect
James Zealot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2017-01-02 16:53:10 UTC
If you're doing FW you should be able to make that kind of isk in a couple weeks if not more. I've heard of guys getting 1B a day fairly easily in the past. Not sure what it's like these days.
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#4 - 2017-01-02 17:02:10 UTC
someone taking a punt on 500-1bil NC loan is chump change to most investors, some of us like to have a risky punt now and then, I know I have time to time, but when you start talking 10-20 billion with no collateral then it's just not going to happen, ever, not by someone not a personal RL friend at least.

You borrowed 1 bil previously, you repaid so one assumes you done well and made isk? In conclusion, I say, why are you not using that made isk to self invest and make more? If nothing else you could make some capital, invest in some high end items to hold as collateral to raise further funds or at least to look like you made even the slightest effort.
Nicholas K Severasse
Severasse Trading LLC
#5 - 2017-01-02 17:55:34 UTC
James Zealot wrote:
If you're doing FW you should be able to make that kind of isk in a couple weeks if not more. I've heard of guys getting 1B a day fairly easily in the past. Not sure what it's like these days.


I should make plenty of money from doing incursions, just looking for an immediate boost to get trading with a larger capital pool.


Xtreem wrote:
someone taking a punt on 500-1bil NC loan is chump change to most investors, some of us like to have a risky punt now and then, I know I have time to time, but when you start talking 10-20 billion with no collateral then it's just not going to happen, ever, not by someone not a personal RL friend at least.

You borrowed 1 bil previously, you repaid so one assumes you done well and made isk? In conclusion, I say, why are you not using that made isk to self invest and make more? If nothing else you could make some capital, invest in some high end items to hold as collateral to raise further funds or at least to look like you made even the slightest effort.


I did well, but got burned out since all I was doing was trading. I made made another like 6-7 bil in a short amount of time, but didn't play long after I started that. I repaid my investors along with extra isk and gave some to friends. Now that I have come back I have spent about 3 bil for injectors and about .75 bil on my Vindi for Incursions. Having only about 5 bil liquid isk coming back you can see how my capital has been knocked down to about 1-2 bil. Was hoping there would still be some people around that considered 5 bil "chump change" and be willing to invest. I didn't really want to deal with 10-20 different investors at 1 bil a piece.



TL:DR
Yes I will be just fine adding my Incursion isk to my trade capital and building back up. Just figured I would post to see if anyone was interested in investing for a good return just so I could jump start the process. But yes, I will be fine without it!
Chelian Dendrotoxin
Mamaroneck Trading Company
#6 - 2017-01-02 19:36:10 UTC
would like pledge 20b
Rurounitoto Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-01-06 16:26:42 UTC
I see that the problem is that you stated in both forum post that you got burnt out of it and that's not reassuring for us investors, If you can do incursions stick to it, you can make easily 1b per day from that.
I'd like to pledge, but not having a collateral for such high amount (even tho you have the means to collateralize it as far as i understand) drives me off.
If you could lower your expectations to, let's say 5b total and go for 15% you'll probably find a few dudes who will be willing to invest in your endeavour.
Nicholas K Severasse
Severasse Trading LLC
#8 - 2017-01-06 20:40:13 UTC
Rurounitoto Solette wrote:
I see that the problem is that you stated in both forum post that you got burnt out of it and that's not reassuring for us investors, If you can do incursions stick to it, you can make easily 1b per day from that.
I'd like to pledge, but not having a collateral for such high amount (even tho you have the means to collateralize it as far as i understand) drives me off.
If you could lower your expectations to, let's say 5b total and go for 15% you'll probably find a few dudes who will be willing to invest in your endeavour.


I understand, which is why I didn't come to the forums "expecting" anything = D

I did get burned out last time, which is why I am trying to get into more combat activities this time and just keep trading on the side. I did get burned out at the end of my last loan, but did make the effort to get the liquid isk back out to return to the investors.

As I said, I just didn't really want to bother with a big handful of different investors. Even if I only got one investor willing to do 5b that would be fine.


I just never understood the collateral thing for low loan amounts. What's the point? If I was going to offer collateral for a loan I could offer up my Charon for a 1.3 bil loan. But why not just sell the Charon (like I did lol, I can just rely on courier contracts for the little I need right now). Why bother with paying additional interest and dealing with investors when you can just sell your stuff and buy it back when needed. Seems to me there are only a couple reasons to request a collateral loan and none of them are required for such low loan amounts:

- LF 50-100b loan: At this point just selling the items could be very time consuming. So you could skip the effort of selling and just easily use it for collateral. Makes sense.

- You have expensive rare items you want to keep, but aren't using: IE rare BPO's

I guess I just have a strange view of isk too... I'm not space rich, but seeing how easily isk can be made I don't even consider 5-20b that much... I just haven't played the game long enough to really put my isk making methods to work and get compounding. I've already made over 2b in the last week just off my limited resources...
Chelian Dendrotoxin
Mamaroneck Trading Company
#9 - 2017-01-07 14:07:27 UTC
Think about it in terms of plex. We're talking what, 10-20 PLEX? That's what, like $200 USD? That's a non-trivial amount.
Nicholas K Severasse
Severasse Trading LLC
#10 - 2017-01-07 18:44:36 UTC
Chelian Dendrotoxin wrote:
Think about it in terms of plex. We're talking what, 10-20 PLEX? That's what, like $200 USD? That's a non-trivial amount.


True... but then thinking about it that way just makes me consider the fact that I could just buy isk, since IRL job makes nearly 4 Bil isk/hour... But why should I spend that much money on a game lol

Thinking about the the actual isk/USD vs time spent playing just makes me sad... and distracts me from just trying to enjoy the game lol
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-01-12 07:49:37 UTC
Nicholas K Severasse wrote:
Chelian Dendrotoxin wrote:
Think about it in terms of plex. We're talking what, 10-20 PLEX? That's what, like $200 USD? That's a non-trivial amount.


True... but then thinking about it that way just makes me consider the fact that I could just buy isk, since IRL job makes nearly 4 Bil isk/hour... But why should I spend that much money on a game lol

Thinking about the the actual isk/USD vs time spent playing just makes me sad... and distracts me from just trying to enjoy the game lol


If youre making 80 dollars an hour, i dont see why you would need to beg here for isk. And 10-20 billion isk is not a small amount, either. People struggle to get loans for 2-3 billion here.
Nicholas K Severasse
Severasse Trading LLC
#12 - 2017-01-13 00:12:57 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:
If youre making 80 dollars an hour, i dont see why you would need to beg here for isk. And 10-20 billion isk is not a small amount, either. People struggle to get loans for 2-3 billion here.


I consider the plex pack when talking plex prices, so ~$60 /hr actually. But I've already spent $100 subbing my 2 accounts for six months. I don't plan on spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a game just so I can be the richest space pirate. But at no point in this thread have I been begging for isk. A small loan like what I was asking for is already becoming less and less needed as my capital grows.

Could still put isk to use, if anyone is actually interested they can send me an evemail.

Mods can close.
Chelian Dendrotoxin
Mamaroneck Trading Company
#13 - 2017-01-13 18:25:38 UTC
At least you got a chance to wave your epeen about before you quit.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#14 - 2017-01-14 09:56:01 UTC
Nicholas K Severasse wrote:


Mods can close.





How gracious of you.

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Bumble's Space Log
Luthor Ikkala
Snow Moon City
Fraternity.
#15 - 2017-01-14 10:29:48 UTC
In my honest opinion, this was finetuned jita scam. But amusing thread nevertheless.