EVE General Discussion

Well, there was a time when there was no safety button to warn the rookies. Might have been then.
As we all know it is a problem that was already solved by CPP.

Lol, I have no bitterness, I am just amused about how you still think pretending stuff will make it suddenly true. To even say we have an advantage when talking about criminal gameplay where the whole game mechanic elements are stacked against what we do is not only hilarious, it shows how deep your frustration about your inability to stop superior players like us is rooted.

You post the same whiny off-topic post in every thread in the last weeks which has only remotely to do with ganking. It seams your desperation has reached some crazy new levels.

So yes, I did not take your post serious and I only made fun of it. It was the only thing it deserved.

Pretending stuff, lol as if, the truth is that CCP gave options in terms of mining ship tanks, it is all the proof one needs, actions, results and response.

Your no consequence pointing of freighters and your noob ship scooping through DST's are two major advantages that make it easy for you, anyone with a brain can see that.

Desperation, I am not the one changing what people say, you are rather bad at this, calm down ganker...

The barge buff happened way before this study was done and I think it is ok to have a tanky mining ship which has a lower yield, so it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.


The bumper and the DST takes the exact same risk the Freighter pilot was taking. They can both be killed under the same penalties we all have to work with in Highsec, it kinda comes with the region. If you want easy kills and shoot them without consequences go anti-gank in nullsec or something.

As for the point I was actually making, because I talked about the gank per se. You even have two NPC police forces who help you out and will finish the job if you are unable to kill the criminals. Kinda hilarious if you call that "stacked in the gankers favor".


Thanks for the tears

If you wipe your tears away for a second and read the thread you may discover that it was more about "are dev-blogs dying" than "is eve dying".

we never talked about a player survey here.

Oh please.. repeating the same irrelevant points will not make them relevant. If you would actually manage to counter the gank we would not have to listen to your whining about looting mechanics again because the Freighter would still be in one piece.

If you don't stop we will all die from a salt overdose. Also post something relevant to the tread

Oh dear, is CODE. dying again? Not again!!

We were chatting today on the low activity just recently, and that your bumpers have started to do the trick duel spamming as you don't have enough DPS in key periods of the day. But anyway, we shall see, you certainly are a resilient bunch, excellent at using mechanics, very organised and dedicated but we shall see, I don't think CODE will ever die, just become less effective and cover less ground.

I prefer it when you post like this.

I know you don't personally gank freighters much, and I also recognise that you all like Eve, I have no information on what went down there, I personally prefer consistency and being open on such things so we all know where we stand. I hope that you sort that out with CCP. And you are correct, I would not risk it either by the way.

Okay, I am going to try again.

1. They were not griefers.

They were not griefers because LS is supposed to be dangerous. There is a pop-up warning you that CONCORD will not come if someone aggresses you. Your only protection are 1) gate guns and 2) whatever fire power you bring with you. This was an intentional design by CCP. It does not mean everyone in LS will attack you, but you should increase that probability considerably. And chances are, if that LS system you are going into is in some way desirable, well that probability gets higher. LS is where some people like to PvP. There are no bubbles and certain other things you find in NS do not work there. These people have developed a number of strategies over time as well. Yes, they may sit there on a gate with a heavy interdictor that is scripted and sensor boosted to Hell so they can grab even fast moving stuff. But that is completely legitimate game play. It appears you do not think so.

2. Was it intended game play?

This is largely irrelevant. EVE is a game about spontaneous order and emergence. That is, things can happen in the game that the developers did not anticipate or even intend. Sometimes that is bad (e.g. tracking titans), but other than that CCP's approach has been hands off. That is what it means to be player driven. If you go watch some of the videos put out by CCP about EVE this can be seen. For example, I am pretty sure that the Devs never intended a group of players (Rooks & Kings) to use things like a hictor bubble, smart bombing battle ships, and titan bridges to create a deadly and interesting trap. The trap is where when a fleet jumps into system the bubble goes up, as the fleet warps they will not be dragged into the bubble, the hictor then lights a cyno and the smart bombing battle ships jump in and as the fleet is landing they set off their smart bombs. This is used against softer targets (e.g. a fleet of oracles for example). In fact, Rooks & Kings is probably one of the most innovative groups out there. Innovation on the part of players is doing something the Devs did not intend. They love, and most of us love it. It very much appears you do not.

3. This is a game that actually encourages what you would consider griefing.

Go find the Causality video put out by CCP on youtube and watch it. It is about a guy who is lured into a trap and has his ship blown up and is podded. He studies who his attackers were, he goes about getting into the alliance his killer were in and working his way up through the organization getting access to hangars, wallets, etc. He then faces a decision, follow through with his plan and steal everything he can from the alliance and quite possibly cause it to collapse, or keep on going and stick with the alliance. He decides to take everything he can. Draining wallets, emptying hangars and so forth. The alliance collapse and they lose their space. This is not unlike what happened to the Band of Brothers (BoB) when a traitor who had access to alliance executor corp did all of that, plus disbanded the alliance causing an instant drop in sov across three regions. The ramifications of that were huge. For example, somebody who just put a titan into build…problem! All that time wasted. It was, using your definition, griefing on an epic scale. To me and most other players…it was awesome (BTW, I was on the losing side there, I was part of the Greater BoB Community). It is obvious you would see this as a bad thing, given your definition.

Now, it is for this reason I have grown sick and tired of seeing people like you show up on the forums and moan and whine and complain about griefers and hurl around insults relating to totally legitimate and even encouraged game play. It is you advertising your stunning ignorance of the game for all to see.

Dude you put hotels on Boardwalk and Park Place….what a jerk!

Good point. If you are willing to accept the consequences for shooting someone then yes you can shoot them…anywhere (with maybe the exception of starter systems).