EVE General Discussion

FFS.

The study was not based on self selection. CCP selected 80,000 pilots. Ideally it would be random, but that point they did not cover in the presentation. The stuff about giving a reason for unsubbing was just something that was added on to the presentation.



So you broke rule number 1 you took got in a ship you could not afford to replace. Further you mistakenly took on more risk than you were prepared to handle.

So...instead of saying, "Well that was a mistake, lessons learned," you decide..."Nahh, I'll just quit." Accept at least some degree of responsibility for your ignorance and actions.

Edit: And income is not hard to come by, especially if you do things like get into a good player run corp. Yeah, you might have to try several corps before you find a home, but the people there can give you advice on how to make ISK. You can also consider exploring the game. It doesn't generate the income it did in my day, but I found running HS DED complexes was good ISK. I also would go and salvage tons of wrecks in Deltole. Blitzing missions with your corp buddies can be okay ISK too for a beginner and a good way to build up standings.

Yeah I noted that. There is always a tendency by the inept and incompetent to blame others for their inability to accomplish things in life...and apparently in video game too.

You missed the point(s).

The problems with the survey:
1. Self-selected participants with no attempt to understand the selection pattern. There's too much randomness in the data for it to be useful.
2. I'd be surprised if a majority of the people who stop playing EVE do so due to a single isolated cause. Especially new player who leave after a trial. My example was intended to make that clear. A conclusion that "griefing doesn't matter" can be wildly inaccurate if it's a major contributing factor, but not often selected as the biggest.

Nice switch from griefing to ganking, but I'm tired of explaining basic logic. Look up "fallacy" in wijkipedia, or mu earlier response to someone who did the same thing with "non-consensual PvP".

I can't honestly believe someone would read the warning, confirm they want to leave highsec and then judge people that kill them in an area that everyone says people should go to for PvP, as lowlife griefers.

That really does fit in the HTFU category.

You did? Well I didn't see it. Seems you are as incompetent at writing as you are at playing the game and well probably most things in your life. Hey, seems only fair, if you are going to conclude LS pirates are low lifes.

Here is a hint: stop being such a whiny cry baby and grow up, brat.

You replied to a back and forth about a study which specifically looks at Highsec Ganking and not about "griefing". If you want to play semantic games with your broad definition of "griefing" which for you seams to mean "you cause me negative feelings" then reply to a post which talks about that sort of thing. Maybe you find someone who falls for it.

I love this when I see total noobs at statistics point out that such a survey means something, makes me giggle every time. I can't help it, that survey was pathetic even for analysing 15 day old players quitting Eve.

The issue has always been those people who played for a bit, who started to get into more expensive ships and then had that removed and seen their progression in the game destroyed just like that and they said nope, I am not continuing this, it is too much of a grind, CCP has made it too easy for me to be ganked and this was true when they buffed the destroyers DPS so that every mining ship could be blown up with no effort.

Ganking does drive people out of the game, but it is part of the game, but there is a big difference between now and then, for example now I can use a Procurer or a Skiff and the gankers have an issue, previously I could do nothing, so as a player who looks for counters and balance I made the decision to give up on mining. Gun mining was much more fun in 0.0 in the belts and then CCP destroyed that with 50% refining because they want poor saps to be targets in mining barges, well actually it was because they had changed ship costs in minerals then to get around people using that to make ISK before a patch they added additional materials making it more complex, then to get out of that and put poor saps back into easy to kill ships they applied this punitive reprocessing amount.

I know a lot of people who left that game during that period when all mining ships could be ganked by a single Catalyst in 0.5 systems, almost every single one of the people I started mining with left during that period, it was hilarious that CCP had no idea what they were doing and what was happening.

So when gankers like Ima Wreckyou go off on such a foolish statement in terms of noobs in ships that do not matter and only a small sample even bothered to answer, and then people say you don't have proof, well remember something important, CCP did eventually realise, which is why we have the Skiff and the Procurer with meaningful tanks, there is all the proof that you need staring you in the face. I also believe that CCP never put in place the metrics to measure their player base and who were leaving at that time and this has cost them a lot of subscriptions from casual players who liked to mine and relax.

Has freighter mining (ganking) had an impact on player numbers, not really in my opinion, the odd one or two will leave at the catastrophic losses, but we are now looking at what are more hard core players, does the miner ganking impact Alpha accounts currently, nope as Ventures are not a stretch and are quite efficicent. Does miner ganking impact older omega accounts moving up, not that much now because they have options.

The biggest issue was that during that period those casual mining players felt abandoned by CCP to be easy targets and that is what lost them all those subs. And the most telling thing is that CCP deserved to lose all those casual players for being so bad at running this game, if you had only given them options CCP...

FFS, there was no survey. They looked at what is considered recorded data.



Bzzzt wrong again.

First, they grabed 80,000 players (presumably at random) and then grouped them into killed:

1. Illegally,
2. Legally,
3. Not killed at all.

The vast majority were not killed at all, and they tended to leave the game sooner than the other two groups. The second group to leave "early" were those killed legally, and those who tended to last longest in game where those killed illegally.

It would be nice if you could...you know...at least represent what CCP did in a factual manner and not...well...you lie like a sack of ****.

BTW: I didn't feel a need to respond to all the anecdotal bullshit that Dracvlad is throwing around as it is just that bullshit.

Lame, posting your words as mine and then making points on what you said as distorted, that is about the level of you, bitter poster is bitter.

Your understanding of data, data mining and statistics is very poor, I will keep reminding you of that.

The key thing however is CODE is dying, I see less and less enthusiasm from your key players and your bitter posting does not hide that fact, your plaintive wail of AG is failing is only a cry for relevance, AG is a resistance movement and they often fail because you have so much of an advantage, that the AG save so many is actually very impressive.

Considering you can't even describe what CCP did accurately this means literally nothing.