EVE New Citizens Q&A

This is a bit of a bugbear of mine.


I was trained by my original Corp to fly Bombers, then Bomber's Bar said NewBro friendly. So I signed up. I'd only been in game 3 months at this stage. I had all the Wingspan Skills, and tons of enthusiasm.

Turns out they meant new 10m SP Pilot friendly, not new player friendly. I was thrown out for telling them to get lost after they kept telling me to shut up when I had genuine New Player questions. I could fly a bomber, could not get into Doctrine ( yet ) , and ( heaven forbid ) actually talked about it in a NewBro chat channel ( OMG!!! ). I even sorted out a guide to help fellow players having trouble. And they just went for me.

My boats work. Theirs were VERY skill-hungry. It's important to mention this. Why go for me to deliberately pee me off, and then chuck me out when I fire back?

That is not NewBro friendly. Not even close. They were simply arrogant 'cool kids' with a ton of real-world money behind them.


I then moved to a second fleet, that has genuine NewBie fleets in it ( so it's ok to only have 6m skill points and have some fun in fleet ).

I am also flying Incursions and doing ok there too.


I also spend about £40 a month on this game ( plus a sizeable 'upgrade' investment in PLEX's over Xmas ).


My main gripe is this: If I spend a whole month or 2 learning 1 discipline, including using real money to buy the 'upgrade' ( think Warhamster ) then that is a certain level of dedication. If you, as an FC, are so impatient and ... You shouldn't be an FC.


I know EVE is pretty mercenary; but if any FC claims to be NewBro friendly, and then whines when actual NewBros show up, can someone please drop a sizeable Focused Void Bomb or 6 on their ass.

Oh, and demote them.


Games are supposed to be fun. And CCP brought in Alphas for a reason. If Corps or Fleets lie about this 'NewBro friendly' thing then someone needs to pop 'em. A lot.


Rant over.


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PS: It's ok, I stole every secret Bombers Bar had. They really should think about loyalty more. Building a boat and using BLOPS and Wormholes isn't that hard ( their strength is their numbers ). Loyalty does have its' rewards ( the lack of Suicide Gankers in your great Armada being an obvious one. Bomber's Bar does not pay it's Pilots after all... ).

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Newbro friendly doesn't necessarily mean accepting of questions during battlecomms. There are good times to ask questions and bad times. Then there is small detail that in a bomber fleet I'm sure there is no role what so ever an alpha clone can fill. They are resticted from using a cloaking device.

And for whoever picks a sensorbooster instead of the shield tank during a caracal fleet ... just don't. You get primaried by the enemy fleet and logi calls that reps isn't holding, due to you not fitting the tank FC specifically told you to bring.

1. Correct me if I missed something, but it seems you tried to join a purely cloak fleet with a character that cannot fit a cloak and are now upset. You also think "newbro friendly" means newbros can fly anything they want regardless if it works in the fleet setup, which is also false. Fleets where you can bring what you like are called "kitchen sink" fleets. Most likely in an uncloaked vessel you would have got everyone killed or at least scared away most targets.

2. 10 Million SP is a new bro.

3. Spending 40 a month on ISK won't make you better at the game. Spending 0 a month is a better route to being good at EvE.

4. The secrets you think you know about Bombers Bar are actually well known tactics, not special secrets.

Yeah, so FC'ing, much like leading raids in other games, is a voluntary thing, and we get few enough people willing to do it. It's pure work for them, and it's like customer support / herding cats. On top of the built-in rarity cause nobody wants to do it, GOOD FC's are even harder to find. There's like, a dozen or so in the game (compare to player base of 100,000).

NOBODY is going to demote their fleet commander in favor of some newbie. Even if the FC is a primadonna. They're just that rare.

On top of it, corps have forums for a reason. You don't use up the voice comms to start criticizing fittings or arguing with the FC in the middle of combat operations. Use the forums, that's what they're for.

So yeah. While I agree with you that some corps are bad and lie about how newbie-friendly they actually are, it doesn't look like you were exactly a saint yourself. You didn't get kicked out for being a newbie, you got kicked out for being a drama queen.

Also, corps in EVE don't recruit based on your skills. Because, if they need any particular skill or ship unlocked, they have a ton of veterans already in the corp who can just plug the skill in and maybe apply an injector or two, and voila, why the hell would they need you? It's completely different from other MMOs where healers are locked into healing, tanks into tanking, and DPS into DPS'ing, and it takes a long time to get a character to max level and geared in purples, so they recruit based on your ability to heal or tank.

Not in EVE. In EVE we recruit solely based on personality and how well you fit within the group. You failed that quite spectacularly. I bet you they would have accepted and made welcome an actual Alpha newbie flying a newbie ship, just installed the game, with no preconceptions about how to fit ships, but totally willing to take the FC's orders as coming from God, just because it's a veteran player speaking so they must know what's what.

there is a newbro tab on the bombers bar website, I'm guessing you should have read that, and watched the videos, before trying to join in on one of their fleets. I imagine things would have gone much smoother.

Also from your post you sound annoying enough I'm not too surprised they kicked you out.

It's just toys to play with until you get better.

I rant & rave on page 1 of PvP about how you are sooooo going to die; but everything starts somewhere.

Is it possible that the core issue is that you're actually a profoundly annoying person?

That's just sort of the impression I came away with.

Or maybe their Training was weak. I train in the real world. Do you remember the real world at all?

I did use the Forums. And the correct channel.

I don't understand your point here.

If you're too tired to FC then step away.

And now, having read some of your (hilarious) guide, I'm betting that the core problem was that you spent a lot of time advocating horrible fittings in a supremely obnoxious manner.

I'm going to be blunt: You haven't the foggiest notion of what you're talking about.

No, you absolutely DO NOT put some small autocannons on your railgun ship as an anti-drone point defense system, unless your strategy is to induce a case of fatal hilarity in your opponents after they see your lossmail.