EVE General Discussion

Wrong. Prove "massive financial problems."

Having worked on Wall Street for 20 years, selling a company / buying a company has NOTHING TO DO with the firm being in dire straits. It's a matter of opportunity as well. The purchaser sees potential in the acquired firm (yeah, so sometimes they loot the firm's assets and then shut it down, but that is opportunity. Real Life Pirates...)

A company being sold or bought can mean nothing...other than an exchange of money.

Business, life, EVE, is all about opportunity. Being good at playing EVE is about making the most of an opportunity; ganking, scamming, gatecamping, good PVP. Once you learn that lesson, life and EVE, will be more rewarding.

You need to be able to read news and SEE THE OPPORTUNITY....

And you need to find your own opportunities in EVE. I've been play for 14 months and just now feel like I can take advantage of opportunities...to my advantage.

Probably too late, but List of possible scams in EVE.

This is a PVP game; a lot of people dislike the game solely based on that fact. This is also a strategy game, not really a flight sim game; you're supposed to be a "unit" in a corp or alliance of hundreds, with the point of fighting over the map or for resources. People dislike the game based on that too.

Otherwise, you're not starting from scratch. You've accumulated some skillpoints, you've accumulated some ships, and you've accumulated some knowledge. 500 million is quite the sum, but given your expenses (frigates? cruisers?) I'm guessing 50-80 million will suffice, and you can get that in relatively short time. A week, maybe two.

But, typically MMO's do not guarantee that you'll have or own any of the pixels you accumulate. Technically, CCP could shut down the servers tomorrow and kick all of us out, and they wouldn't owe anyone anything. And it's not just EVE, all online / MMO games are like that; everything you accumulate in-game can be gone, at the sole discretion of the devs.

So, IMO, you've gotten a little too attached to pixels, here, and in Rift too. You should base your "quit or not" decision not on the pixels, but on "am I having fun right now?" I get that the scam ruined your fun, and it's ok to quit because of that, but otherwise, prior the scam, did you have any fun at all? Because if "no", then you should have quit earlier.

EDIT: Honestly, we don't care about the review. We're players, we care about having fun, not about how well CCP is doing or whether they're making any profit or whatever. That's their business, not ours; all we care about as customers is we paid some money for access to some possible fun, are we having any? If your review is aimed at CCP, they have a "tell us why you're quitting" survey when you cancel Omega, and otherwise you can open a support ticket to let them know directly. On the forums here, you'll hear opinions from players, and maybe advice or well-wishes, but also very likely derision and "can we have your stuff" requests.

Exactly, as someone working in investment management this is very true. Also selling a company doesn't mean at all that a different group will run the day to day operations.

Ey don´t you dare saying something against Predator VS Prey!!!

if that's true they sent you here knowing how you'd be treated.

It's normally against the rules to release support correspondence but I would be very interested to know who handled your support ticket and what was said.

".....no secret that CCP has massive financial problems. In Dec. Bloomberg reported that CCP and EVE are now official for sale cause the owners want to get rid...."

You know I liked your two posts and I read them carefully as well. Then you just had to say these lines.. You're part of the 'kill CCP' crowd aren't ya? Are you from SC? Or that EA exec saying he's gonna "bury the game"?

What kind of random gamer out there spouts things like MMO finances and effing official sales?

I call bullsh*t, this is fuken propaganda.

Feedback is normally very hard to get from people who are on their way out. If this is real, the feedback is more valid than you think. Personally I think there's an ethical responsibility when the game's developers benefit from scams, especially ones involving PLEX purchases. I think alphas or even true first-time players should receive the same protection as character bazaar sales.

Something like prohibiting scams against characters less than six months old.

Yes this would include veterans who have characters younger than six months, but it would be for the sake of those younger characters who are truly new. And in the case of blanket scams, if a character messages a scammer asking for their ISK back, it better be given back.

While it's true that scamming has been a part of EVE, that doesn't mean it always has to be. It's not balanced with game mechanics, so not only is it outside the scope of game design, there's also a real money benefit from PLEX sales.

Scamming should end and EVE would be a better game environment.

Two types of people...targets and those who shoot targets.

You're a target.

No it's still me. I think the social engineering aspect of what's basically nigerian email scams shouldn't be condoned just because it's in a video game. I see a lot of parallels between third party gambling and ISK scams. They entice a person with promises of more ISK.

When you message someone and communicate directly, it's outside of the game mechanics. I also think scams are on a more serious level than playing a video game and cause moral injury.

There is a very big difference between a margin scam involving a market item and messaging a player to basically lie to them. I think if it's something you couldn't accomplish without written chat, it shouldn't be allowed as part of the game.

We might have to disagree.

How? Leaving aside whether it would be a good idea to have that kind of protection, how would you do it? I think a majority of scams are people taking publicly available contracts that they have not looked at closely enough, or responding to messages in a public channel. How do you make those contracts available to the stupid & greedy, but unavailable to the stupid & greedy & new? How do you protect a 3 month old player from an isk-doubling scam publicly advertised in Jita local or someone's bio while allowing a 9 month old player to be a victim?

Personally, I think there are a couple of scams that need addressing. I think hauling contracts need to say if they are double-wrapped, or there needs to be an option to void a contract once you discover it contains double-wrapped goods. I think docking rights should be addressed better. Perhaps the person creating the contract must have docking rights at the pick-up & drop-off stations, and their docking rights are conferred on whoever has the cargo in their hold. If the contract's owner loses docking rights, then the contract is voided, the collateral returned. A scam contract where you intend to shoot the hauler is fine. A scam contract where the hauler is physically unable to dock & deliver is not.

Likewise the margin trading scams. If you list a buy order and it's filled, you should be stuck paying it. An overpriced sale where the buy order is yanked before someone attempts to fill it, that's fine. A contract that advertises 9 billion of goods for 8 bill but is 'mistakenly' priced at 800 mill, that someone takes because they're too lazy to check the actual value is 300 mill, that's fine too.

Basically, a scam that requires someone to get greedy, not pay attention to what they're agreeing to and so paying too much is fine. A scam that requires someone to get greedy, trust another person is fine. But one that relies on game mechanics preventing something isn't. I think it's reasonable that a contract to deliver to station x is allowed to dock at station x, fulfilling a publicly displayed buy order results in getting paid and not the buy order failing.

It's also a bit depressing looking at the contract history of scammers and seeing just how many scam contracts get fulfilled. But that's a different topic.