EVE General Discussion

Aw man, now you done did it, and the GD anti-HTFU brigade of sunshine and safety is gonna show up and protest....

Thanks for the writeup. It's always enlightening to read about other players experiences.

I have just one comment: If your fit contains Warp Core Stabs, then you are not fit for PvP. You should not judge the PvP experience based on that.


That's disgusting. Well done!

When you hit undock you concent to PVP. It's that simple. You are not safe when you are in space, scamming is allowed as well as theft.

It was a citadel in a 0.9 system not a station. And why do you refer tot he 0.9 system as a starter system? Starter systems are 1.0 and there are only a few things not allowed in those systems, and scamming isn't one of them. Citadels are player owned and they can restrict access to them. Like I said the contract would have warned that the delivery station (contracts see citadels as stations like they do outposts and access to outposts can also be restricted yet another player owned structure/station) may not be accessible. It will give this warning regardless of whether it is or not. It is completely likely that you started out having no access at all before you accepted the contract and that it didn't change after you accepted the contract.

I assumed that you plexed yourself isk because you eluded to CCP somehow being party to these scams to benefit themselves. The only way they benefit is if someone bought a plex to sell to another player for isk. I see a scam involving real money as worse than a scam that doesn't but in both cases I blame the person who got scammed. Your scam didn't involve real money, jsut time and effort. Learn from it and continue making more isk the way you have been that was successful. Why allow a 500mil isk loss ruin it for you? 500mil isn't even that much.

Ah, I never judged it. It's only my personal view. As I wrote, EVE PvP and I never got real friends^^ so I came to the conclusion that it's better for me to avoid fights. But I also wrote that PvP is in my opinion the main reason for players to become an Omega. So I appreciate that PvP is very popular in EVE, but I dont like it so much.

well that review started off nice, and quickly declined into a whine about getting scammed, and losing in pvp. Why do these posts always start with a nice game and quickly say but you should totally change this one thing?

so you got scammed, well that sucks. You were going to lose something at some point, and as they say don't fly what you can't afford to lose, well you flew what you couldn't afford to lose. What would you have done if it was a legit contract and you got suicide ganked instead? Or say you went on a trade run and the offer was gone when you got back, or you miss typed a number and sold for 1 mil instead of 1 bil. Pretty much all of us here have made one or more of those mistakes, and we bounced back and stuck with it, you quit and came to the forums whining.

as for pvp try faction warfare systems, most of these areas have a lot of t1 frig pvp going on as the small complexes can only be accessed by t1 frigs. This is also one of those times where the phrase "join a corp" means a lot. Much easier to learn the basics with a few other people helping. I watched a few streams the other day of people doing just that. There is also nullsec where many overconfident pilots will jump on a newbie in a t1 frig and make mistakes that allow the frig to win.

Aye, there's surprisingly many people in Eve who think like that, and frankly, I thought like that too, initially. I just wasn't a PvP kind of guy. However, this changed just a couple weeks in.

From my own experience and from my interactions with newbies, I can tell you that it takes just that one "trigger moment" to get into it. For me, it was a canflipper (a stupid, mean mechanic from the olden days: Some dude, usually in a frigate would fly up to a mining Barge or Mining Cruiser in Highsec, drop a jetcan and move the miners ore from the miners can to their own. If the miner moved the ore back, that would allow the frigate pilot to engage in combat, typically resulting in a dead miner. It's not really a thing anymore these days.). I lost a mining cruiser (that was a thing) and the guy convoed me to tell me where I went wrong. I asked a bunch of questions, he liked that and invited me to join him and his posse of dishonourable evildoers, and I never went back to mining from there.

It may be something else for you, it may be a war dec, it may be a scam or a loss in lowsec, or it may not be for you at all. Who knows? In the end, Eve is certainly not for everyone. But I wouldn't give up on it just yet. Just keep in mind that Eve is inherently unfair, and that Eve players, at least as long as they are playing the game (Which can stretch way beyond the boundaries of the game client, mind you! For example, the Eve online forums are generally considered to be a part of the game as well, for the most part. So I could be trying to lure you into a trap either for gain or just s\\ts and giggles right now. Who knows? ;) ) are evil, scheming, lying bastards who will take every opportunity to f\\k you over. I have some good friends, who I would not trust in the game, because I know the way they play and who may not always be on the same side as me. The flipside of this is, that there's not a lot that feels better than winning even though it's unfair and the odds are against you. And even if you don't, you can still be that guy too, and believe me, being an evil, scheming, lying bastard every now and then is f\\king awesome.

Eve is not exactly stellar when it comes to peaceful building, and going on heroic adventures, but it's unmatched when it comes to murder, treason, thievery and machiavellian power struggles. Mining and Missions and Trading and Industry may all be ok in their own right, but they are only means to an end. Embrace the skullduggery!

You can say things with out saying them, and you kind of did say change this thing without out right saying it.

Roggo, why are you still here?

You quit, but are so curious about the answers to your whine. Ha, you can't let it go. You've gotten some compassion, and harsh criticism. You even got a rep to reply.

So with all your limited Alpha skills, how could you be really good at anything? You can't, and obviously were weren't.

But somehow, you sure gained the knowledge to do many things in such a short time, and made a lot of isk.

IMO, you are an Alpha made by someone with a Omega account. That's the only answer I can come up with.

-Kirst

The only thing Rift has over Eve is cleavage and boob-windows on purple women.