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Massive npc corp standing hit for pod killing

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Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
Khanid.
#1 - 2017-01-09 12:31:11 UTC
While checking my standings on my other character I happened to notice last month at the end of December I took a massive hit to a NPC corp. I got literally a -75% for pod killing a flashing yellow criminal in hi sec.
Now I am not talking about sec status loss, it was unaffected as he was flashing yellow. But to the corp in question my standing went from 0 to -7.50 in 1 transaction due to this.

Has this ever happened to anyone else? Has anyone ever lost standing to NPC corps for killing players?
Yarosara Ruil
#2 - 2017-01-09 13:08:39 UTC
Yes, it happens and it is intended. Best solution is to not shoot pods. Simple right?

You lose standings even if you blow a pod in a duel. Security rating and Standings are two distinct things, and Standings as a system in EVE are utterly broken and long overdue an overhaul. I don't think CCP is going to fix this on our lifetime though.
Lena Crews
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#3 - 2017-01-09 13:48:37 UTC
Is it broken though?

I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?

Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship.
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
Khanid.
#4 - 2017-01-09 15:13:00 UTC
Lena Crews wrote:
Is it broken though?

I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?

Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship.


Its not often I see the driver flashing yellow from committing a criminal act.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#5 - 2017-01-09 15:15:41 UTC
join a corp

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
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ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#6 - 2017-01-09 16:06:41 UTC
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Lena Crews
Corporate Navy Police Force
Sleep Reapers
#7 - 2017-01-09 17:06:55 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Lena Crews wrote:
Is it broken though?

I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?

Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship.


Its not often I see the driver flashing yellow from committing a criminal act.


There is flashing. Normally blue rather than yellow though (at least in the US). And it's not the driver it's coming from.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-01-09 17:33:04 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Lena Crews wrote:
Is it broken though?

I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?

Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship.


Its not often I see the driver flashing yellow from committing a criminal act.


Flashy yellow didn't make criminal action. Criminal action trigger a flashy red.
Eve Griefer
Doomheim
#9 - 2017-01-09 18:08:43 UTC
As it happens, there had been another thread recently about standings loss (to DCM) and the effects it has if you warp into a belt where the DCM NPCs are.

Working as intended I guess.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-01-09 21:17:19 UTC
Don't worry, there are only two corps you should be a bit careful, Deep Core Mining and Brutor Tribe, because they have relevance in PvE / market. The rest does not matter. I'm -8.46 (unmodified) with my own NPC corp.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
Khanid.
#11 - 2017-01-09 23:45:26 UTC
I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.

Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?

Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?

About as clear as mud.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2017-01-09 23:52:05 UTC
Oh god....

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2017-01-10 00:19:09 UTC
Lena Crews wrote:
Is it broken though?

I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?

Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship.


A real world comparison to a game...

FYI, you'll get a standings loss for killing a DCM ship that attacks you. That is, a DCM player warps in and engages you, you respond and in self defense destroy his ship. Congratulations on your standings loss.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2017-01-10 00:20:06 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.

Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?

Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?

About as clear as mud.


Have you looked at your diplomacy skill? What is your standings with the Caldari?

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2017-01-10 00:26:35 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.

Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?

Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?

About as clear as mud.

What's the Corp? Sounds like NPC Militia to me, in which case, unless you intend to join factional warfare on that side it really doesn't matter.
Wanda Fayne
#16 - 2017-01-10 00:33:33 UTC
Standings loss for killing an NPC corp member ship is about 0.03%.
Standings loss for podding them... priceless!

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Sugar Smacks
Khanid Royal Navy
Khanid.
#17 - 2017-01-10 00:34:43 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.

Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?

Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?

About as clear as mud.

What's the Corp? Sounds like NPC Militia to me, in which case, unless you intend to join factional warfare on that side it really doesn't matter.


It appears to be that way, but the problem is I have done so much to keep my standings up with that character to a very large portion of corporations, the fact I am now stuck with negative standings which can only be fixed by making more negative standings with someone else is stupid.

This does not encourage me to continue to do anything down this path further, or really, to continue to invest large amounts of time to play EvE.

While most people do one thing or another, this is what I did, and to be completely screwed by shooting someone who is flashy yellow is a little much. Then to further complicate it that it cant be repaired unless I lose some other standing that I worked hard on does not encourage playing.

I just wish CCP cared about the hard work I did as much as I do, but apparently I was wrong to bother. Congrats CCP you allowed a entire new level of griefing to destroy years of work and you aren't doing anything about it.

This is where I see myself out of EvE.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2017-01-10 00:47:52 UTC
This is a really silly non-problem you have there. It's not like corp standings matter.
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#19 - 2017-01-10 07:24:35 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Lena Crews wrote:
Is it broken though?

I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?

Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship.


A real world comparison to a game...

FYI, you'll get a standings loss for killing a DCM ship that attacks you. That is, a DCM player warps in and engages you, you respond and in self defense destroy his ship. Congratulations on your standings loss.


To keep up with the RL examples: a good number of soldiers hate the soldiers on the other side, even if both are in regulars armies. During WWI machine guns crews were often killed even when they surrendered, as they where hated by the infantry.
Even without the hate part, a member of an enemy army will fire on sight on you.

In EVE, if you are know to be an enemy of one faction, the members of that faction fire on you as soon as they can. It is only normal.

Considering the numbers of NPC corp members that I have "killed", it is only normal for them to fire on sight at me.
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#20 - 2017-01-10 07:29:04 UTC
Sugar Smacks wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
Sugar Smacks wrote:
I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.

Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?

Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?

About as clear as mud.

What's the Corp? Sounds like NPC Militia to me, in which case, unless you intend to join factional warfare on that side it really doesn't matter.


It appears to be that way, but the problem is I have done so much to keep my standings up with that character to a very large portion of corporations, the fact I am now stuck with negative standings which can only be fixed by making more negative standings with someone else is stupid.

This does not encourage me to continue to do anything down this path further, or really, to continue to invest large amounts of time to play EvE.

While most people do one thing or another, this is what I did, and to be completely screwed by shooting someone who is flashy yellow is a little much. Then to further complicate it that it cant be repaired unless I lose some other standing that I worked hard on does not encourage playing.

I just wish CCP cared about the hard work I did as much as I do, but apparently I was wrong to bother. Congrats CCP you allowed a entire new level of griefing to destroy years of work and you aren't doing anything about it.

This is where I see myself out of EvE.



Maybe you shouldn't engage in PvP untly you know how it work?
You podded him without checking his allegiance. If he had been with a player corp you could have received a wardec. As he is a part of a NPC corp you received a huge standing loss with that corp.

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