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Closing incursions by killing the Mothership

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Endeavour Starfleet
#161 - 2012-01-19 08:36:33 UTC
It is Endeavour btw. The U is important as that letter was in the sailing ship to the space shuttle.

And while you despise my posting. You never went through with your incursion mothership busting because of my posts. Was it not for the lulz and watching Endeavour scream? Or do you truly fear the potential of a unified hisec to defeat you in the next election?
Umega
Solis Mensa
#162 - 2012-01-19 08:50:55 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
More stuff..


You are far too jaded and biased.. maybe ignorant, but nah I don't think so. You dice your words (and mine) decently well and I think are more aware to the point than leading on. You're hampered in some manner by these events, it would seem. So do the twist!

I'll leave you with this..

Do you really believe it takes a mass super gank? That is a really lame excuse, to go over the top with one and only strategy, that obviously implies much loss to make it not worth an effort. Really Lame, man. Do what ya got to do.. if make excuses is how you want to defend your position with ingame events.. I feel a tad sorry for you.

Here's a hint.. 'know your enemy'. It is all in the Golden Rule.

Short of a Mass gank.. heh.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2012-01-19 10:31:46 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
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Thread cleaned of offtopic posts. Spitfire


Well, looks like there might be a bit of favoritism and selective censorship happening. OK, I'll keep it simple even though my original reply directly pertained to the original post.

OP's question - Approve or disapprove and why?

Asking this is pointless. You've already made your decision which you intend to continue doing.

My answer - Neither approve or disapprove.

Why?

Forming a fleet to just kill the Mothership as soon as it spawns? - If that's what you wanna do, great. Actually your fleet is simply bypassing all the other sites and is only concerned with getting the prized loot drops asap. In other words, you're blitzing the incursions.

Forming a fake Logi Fleet and then not doing rep to facilitate the destruction of other players ships on purpose? - That sounds a lot like Discriminatory actions towards a specific group. In other words, unbiased griefing. Gratz to you for finding a legal loophole to gank ships in high sec without getting Concorded.

Posting this thread here asking for opinions about your actions instead of posting in 'General Discussion'? - Basically looks like a rant trying to incite a flame war when actually it's a gloat looking for fame and notoriety.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#164 - 2012-01-19 10:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Umega wrote:
*snip*
Do you really believe it takes a mass super gank?
*snip*


Well, the problem here, is that they were taking incursions down early to grief people...all that requires is a fleet of about 40 people(though ideally about 80), and a bit of time. The only way to stop the fleet from doing so, is to remove them. Only way to likk an incursion fleet in highsec, really, is to kill or jam the logis...both of which would require a mass suicide gank, since the mom site requires quite a few logi ships and the majority of them would have to go down.

The only other offensive action that could be taken is to attack those guys on their home turf...which won't happen, because they're much bigger than anything the incursion community could muster with any sort of regularity.

I mean I guess there's always merc corps, but even for incursion runners I'd imagine hiring enough mercs to take on an alliance or two would be prohibitively expensive....not to mention the logistics of finding that many in the first place.


Also, if it's anything like last time, everyone will have forgotten about all of this in two weeks anyway..so it's not really worth it IMO. : /

thhief ghabmoef

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#165 - 2012-01-19 18:15:20 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
The only other offensive action that could be taken is to attack those guys on their home turf...which won't happen, because they're much bigger than anything the incursion community could muster with any sort of regularity.


Really? The incursion community couldn't muster a few dozen PVP ships to group up and wardec us? It's not that they lack numbers, it's that they lack the will (or maybe the courage) to actually do it.

Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
I mean I guess there's always merc corps, but even for incursion runners I'd imagine hiring enough mercs to take on an alliance or two would be prohibitively expensive....not to mention the logistics of finding that many in the first place.


Because hiring mercenaries has worked so well for them in the past.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#166 - 2012-01-19 22:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Really? The incursion community couldn't muster a few dozen PVP ships to group up and wardec us? It's not that they lack numbers, it's that they lack the will (or maybe the courage) to actually do it.

The consistency, sir. The organization that is enjoyed by having everyone in a single alliance with(more or less) the same goals. That is what they lack. It's not just one group of people...

Quote:

Because hiring mercenaries has worked so well for them in the past.

Do you see me speaking highly of it?

thhief ghabmoef

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#167 - 2012-01-19 23:06:30 UTC
Hey, I am new round here, and op making much big talk about doing something ... And lots of more big talk by many after that.

I looking in threads and not find yet anything major happenings... Except talking.

Has op actually achieved anything big like first post suggesting, or is this one also much bleat moan hot air?

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#168 - 2012-01-20 06:46:42 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Hey, I am new round here, and op making much big talk about doing something ... And lots of more big talk by many after that.

I looking in threads and not find yet anything major happenings... Except talking.

Has op actually achieved anything big like first post suggesting, or is this one also much bleat moan hot air?

Not really. We killed two Sansha MS...well we killed one and forced destruction of another. Then when only one incursion was up we went in and killed close to 20 ships by forming fleets with logi that never repped anyone. Good times. Way more tears than I expected and we only slowed down the bears for 1 day. BUT it marked the first time in recent memory that a C&P pickup fleet was successful. Was done to show imbalance and get attention to the fact that incursions need rebalancing.

Hmmm

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#169 - 2012-01-20 07:33:41 UTC
Darius III wrote:
Not really. We killed two Sansha MS...well we killed one and forced destruction of another. Then when only one incursion was up we went in and killed close to 20 ships by forming fleets with logi that never repped anyone. Good times. Way more tears than I expected and we only slowed down the bears for 1 day. BUT it marked the first time in recent memory that a C&P pickup fleet was successful. Was done to show imbalance and get attention to the fact that incursions need rebalancing.


Ok, that sounds like somewhat a success against claims / plans. Well done. Whatever the motivation and claimed justifications I much prefer your approach ... Getting out and doing something ... Over the multi-channel anti-incursion bleat feast that seems to have become the norm.
Good luck. I guess the incursion runners will just rely on short attention spans once the wiser-heads take over and the tearful few reship. Wish I was around, and in hisec, to join all this. Mind you I'd prolly be one of the incursion runners y'all trying to gank.


I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#170 - 2012-01-20 10:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you.

Also be aware of several threads about incursions in the Crime $ Punishment forum.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer

Xiozor
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#171 - 2012-01-20 10:55:49 UTC
It's funny how people say "EVE is a Sandbox, I should be able to play it however I want within the games mechanics!" in response to people playing EVE as a sandbox, doing whatever they want within the game mechanics.
Endeavour Starfleet
#172 - 2012-01-20 11:08:25 UTC
Darius III wrote:
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Hey, I am new round here, and op making much big talk about doing something ... And lots of more big talk by many after that.

I looking in threads and not find yet anything major happenings... Except talking.

Has op actually achieved anything big like first post suggesting, or is this one also much bleat moan hot air?

Not really. We killed two Sansha MS...well we killed one and forced destruction of another. Then when only one incursion was up we went in and killed close to 20 ships by forming fleets with logi that never repped anyone. Good times. Way more tears than I expected and we only slowed down the bears for 1 day. BUT it marked the first time in recent memory that a C&P pickup fleet was successful. Was done to show imbalance and get attention to the fact that incursions need rebalancing.


You really ought to correct that to say "I did it to try to perk up my failing chances for being reelected to the CSM and tried to say I joined late for the lols yet did not realize my actions will have just the opposite effect of galvanizing support against me in the next CSM election. And that my threats to take action against incursions because of someone's forum posting mean nothing because I know that now any further interdictions will be tied to said post." In my opinion. I suspect that would be far more accurate.
Hans Momaki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#173 - 2012-01-20 11:08:41 UTC
Xiozor wrote:
It's funny how people say "EVE is a Sandbox, I should be able to play it however I want within the games mechanics!" in response to people playing EVE as a sandbox, doing whatever they want within the game mechanics.


wouldn't be a problem if the same players who are playing EvE as a sandbox now wouldn't have made 3 zillion whine-threads about people playing EvE as a Sandbox in the first place, lol. ;)
Tyralyn
1st imperial crusade brigade
#174 - 2012-01-20 12:57:35 UTC
colay Starwolf wrote:
what does it matter how someone plays this game its a sandbox game. I dunt understand all the hate being tossed at some of the players just based on how thay play the game. I have never once done incursions because i have never wanted to. It seem s that null sec players are forceing the way thay play on the rest of eve. And you seem, to be helping. Eve is a Sandbox game you are free to play it your way take away that freedom you take away part of the heart and soul if EvE onine.IF that is your goal you have failed as a CSM member.


Hey dont get angry if they kill all moms i go the 2 h doing lvl 4 missions and then i restart in my rl like always :-)
-work on my house
-go to work
-making the thing wat you can do with you´re girlfriend
-or i cruise a little bit with my Car

and i know they are sitting 24/7 on the pc and wait if a mom spawns haha

there are 2 kinds of people in the game the first ones getting horny if they can control other people in the game
the other ones including me getting horny in the rl with there girlfirends and wives haha
Tyralyn
1st imperial crusade brigade
#175 - 2012-01-20 12:58:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyralyn
Lol
Lord Vega
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2012-01-20 15:49:26 UTC
Brick squad, worst squad..

Also, do you seriously expect to be reelected for CSM ?

noone cares about your conflict , it only shows you can gain attention by making alot of misfits and then poasting about it.. how about getting your attention by actually being pro instead of advertising how terrible you are :p
BellaDonna Nyghtshade
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2012-01-20 15:55:17 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

.........
When I was in DR, in the beginning we had no moon, no goo yet we were in 0.0 with a nice ship replacement program even covering lost carriers and dreads
.............


Dark Rising, as a corp, is a class act, and Mitch Taylor is one of the very very few folks running a corp who hasn't turned out to be a total asshat.

The problems are with the Alliances.

Most corps, even if headed by dillweeds, are decent into and of themselves.

It is the self righteous, sanctimonious, my-way-or-the-highway tinpot dictators that run the alliances that are the problem.

I, for one, and happier than hell that individual corpies have the chance to make some serious cake regardless of the Alliance head's effots to keep them starving and strung along.

That sad state of affairs, however, is that you have a few thousand mindless zombies centered around a clique who's entire purpose for being is to destroy every game they infest.

The fact that EvE has survived their near-continuous onslaught and infiltration is nothing less than a testimony to the reslience of the average eve pilot and the open sandbox nature of the game.

One simply chooses to not interact directly with them.

Oh, for certain, there is the butterfly effect and all, but at the end of the day there really isn;t all THAT much they can do to directy dictate an individual's playstyle.

In fact, it is that very LACK of granular control that maddens them most.

I have fun watching...............

Big smile
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2012-01-20 16:54:10 UTC
Darius III wrote:

Not really. We killed two Sansha MS...well we killed one and forced destruction of another.

good job guys

Darius III wrote:

Then when only one incursion was up we went in and killed close to 20 ships by forming fleets with logi that never repped anyone. Good times. Way more tears than I expected and we only slowed down the bears for 1 day. BUT it marked the first time in recent memory that a C&P pickup fleet was successful. Was done to show imbalance and get attention to the fact that incursions need rebalancing.

hm... i see high-sec is a something different than 0.0....
in my alliance mail i have new message almost every day "be aware! new blue tackler!".... Well. Maybe for you high-seccers this is real PRO to do it Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

jakejekel
Metallurgy Incorporated
#179 - 2012-01-21 01:19:56 UTC
Ok, i don't do incursions any more, too ez. so they don't really effect me directly. the indirect consequences seem to be the price of everything going up in eve as tons of people are making isk hand over fist without adding anything to the market, therefore causing inflation. point in case- the price of plexes has remained steady at approximately 350 mil isk for about 2 years, with some small variation, but now, the average price of a plex is nearly 500 mil isk. the idea is to get people into low and null sec space, but it doesn't matter how lucrative you make it. people will go where they feel safe, even if they make less, just to feel safe. low and null sec will remain nearly deserted until people can feel safe there. killing the motherships in high sec is a good thing for the economy of eve, but it won't send high sec bunnys flocking into low and null. they will just run level 4 missions again. yes, it is less lucrative, but they can feel safe doing them. the only way to get people out of high sec is to either make it far more dangerous, or have a way that they can feel safe outside high sec. if there were a way to .... lets say hire, for a large sum of isk, concord as a defense in low/null then you would get people out there. it dosn't have to be absolute protection, but it needs to work at least half the time. the other half perhaps the concord ship can be killed, or even betray the paying character if someone offers more isk to them........ just my 2 cents.....
Dzajic
#180 - 2012-01-21 01:56:07 UTC
CCP CSM meeting

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3377

Notes from said meeting:

http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2011/CSM_CCP_Mettings_7-9_12_2011.pdf

Inflation in EVE is minor; PLEX is unrelated to ISK flow; Incursions are good for the game.

Those ain't my words, those are words of CCP and CSM.

And in case you wonder why PLEX is high.

https://secure.eveonline.com/fanfest/default.aspx

Nothing new, same happened last year. Couple thousand people buying from 6-30 PLEX to go to Iceland as its easier for them to spend couple dozen billion game money than couple hundred real $. Gee I wonder if PLEX will go up.