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LVL 4 Mission Advice

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2017-01-05 14:41:06 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:

Tengu...classic brick tank ship. They solo 10/10's in null sec so short of an Incursion, there isn't much in high sec that will even dent your shields. A little slower to take down mission battleships, but you certainly won't be at risk of losing your boat to rats either.


T3's are about the only ships I haven't trained for... I really need to correct this Lol. I thought if you got webbed in one it could go down in a L4 because it's speed tanked. This isn't correct?
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#22 - 2017-01-05 17:18:28 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Alaric Faelen wrote:

Tengu...classic brick tank ship. They solo 10/10's in null sec so short of an Incursion, there isn't much in high sec that will even dent your shields. A little slower to take down mission battleships, but you certainly won't be at risk of losing your boat to rats either.


T3's are about the only ships I haven't trained for... I really need to correct this Lol. I thought if you got webbed in one it could go down in a L4 because it's speed tanked. This isn't correct?

T3's do partly speed tank but they also have insane T3 resists, in some cases can go into the high 90% in terms of resists.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#23 - 2017-01-05 18:00:01 UTC
Sure when webbed you may lose some of the speed tank, but you still have t3 resists and a sig tank. If you get webbed you can go down, it will probably take full room aggro on top of being webbed, falling asleep at the keyboard, or forgetting to online/activate modules. Worse case you should have enough EHP to blast through any webbing ship, and best case an AB tengu is faster than almost every npc webbing frig, you can make them chase you and one volley with fury.

My tengu fits used either a pithii or gistii b-type small shield booster along with10mn ab and typically an omni tank of 1 em 1 invlun. If I went up to a pithum medium booster I would have more raw tank than most of my lv4 battleships and would be able to face tank pretty much every lv4 out there.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2017-01-07 19:29:56 UTC
That reminds me of the dual LAR Dominix I used to have. Warp to 0, drop drones, go watch a movie, come back and mission complete Twisted
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#25 - 2017-01-07 22:07:30 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Alaric Faelen wrote:

Tengu...classic brick tank ship. They solo 10/10's in null sec so short of an Incursion, there isn't much in high sec that will even dent your shields. A little slower to take down mission battleships, but you certainly won't be at risk of losing your boat to rats either.


T3's are about the only ships I haven't trained for... I really need to correct this Lol. I thought if you got webbed in one it could go down in a L4 because it's speed tanked. This isn't correct?

T3's do partly speed tank but they also have insane T3 resists, in some cases can go into the high 90% in terms of resists.


I ran the Tengu for a long time in L4 missions before the heavy missile nerf. I did not speed tank at all. It's high resists and small signature is what helped the most against damage. Those things have stayed the same. I could just sit still, with many BSs firing at me, with the little Pith c-type SB running, and just start eliminating targets. In some missions I would move toward the BSs just to cut down the distance between me and them. The distance the missiles fly gets shorter and shorter. In the Tengu, I left the BSs for last. In running L4s in the Golem, I do the BSs first.

So, no, if you get webbed you will not go down.

Disclaimer: . . . but if you don't have your resists right, and your tank is based upon speed tanking, then you may be asking for trouble. So, keep the resists up for the mission, have a good shield booster, and you should be good. Then you don't have to worry about speed tanking.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#26 - 2017-01-08 04:13:50 UTC
Rattlesnake

Don't care much for sentries, personally. I prefer the buzzy drones.

Omnidirectional Tracking link + tracking speed script
two Drone Navigation computers
two drone link augmentors in utility highs
three drone damage augmentors

drones kill npcs and don't get eaten up too badly
drones don't care about jamming
Rattlesnake has 275% bonus to heavy drone damage


Nightmare

Mostly for sansha rats, really, but fun.

Fun to zip around in a fast BS (caldari BS 30%bonus to AB per level) and fun to fry stuff with lazors.


Tengu

Tengu is fun but slower mission completion overall if you care about that.

Pop the small stuff then mediums while skirting at distance with AB, then orbit a BS and enjoy the furious lightshow as they try to hit you but can't effectively. Small shield booster runs constant and will take care of what damage they do land. fyi - if you get slowed down (web or hung on a rock or something) you are red glowing dust in about 1.7 seconds. Fun, though!
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#27 - 2017-01-08 10:07:23 UTC
Zayden Bryant wrote:
The Bigpuns wrote:
Give us a clue - what ships can you fly now, where are your skills invested, do you have a budget? Answer might be golem, might be dominix, might be wolf. Do you have a style of play you prefer, or a goal? If isk is your goal, then yes, that burner blitz guide is the only real answer.


I started out focusing on drones, and moved into a rattlesnake. which makes a transition to the Bharg easy enough.

I dont have the Marauder skill, but I dont mind training.

Also, my budget should be sufficient for a non-blingy fit.

I havent tried a Marauder since before the bastion mode, my worry about the Golem is damage projection. Can it hit frigates?


ever since the barghest came out everyone is obsessed with using it for pve because of it simply having a faster missile speed, not a launch rate or anything while there are other ships that fill the hole better.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#28 - 2017-01-08 10:14:28 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Zayden Bryant wrote:
The Bigpuns wrote:
Give us a clue - what ships can you fly now, where are your skills invested, do you have a budget? Answer might be golem, might be dominix, might be wolf. Do you have a style of play you prefer, or a goal? If isk is your goal, then yes, that burner blitz guide is the only real answer.


I started out focusing on drones, and moved into a rattlesnake. which makes a transition to the Bharg easy enough.

I dont have the Marauder skill, but I dont mind training.

Also, my budget should be sufficient for a non-blingy fit.

I havent tried a Marauder since before the bastion mode, my worry about the Golem is damage projection. Can it hit frigates?


ever since the barghest came out everyone is obsessed with using it for pve because of it simply having a faster missile speed, not a launch rate or anything while there are other ships that fill the hole better.

That's part of it but the real thing with the Barghest is the damage bonus making it viable to run RHML in PVE. On other battleships RHML is a straight downgrade in dps (and range) compared to faction cruise while in the Barghest they have about the same dps and same application while having enough range.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#29 - 2017-01-08 21:51:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Vortexo said,


"Tengu is fun but slower mission completion overall if you care about that.

Pop the small stuff then mediums while skirting at distance with AB, then orbit a BS and enjoy the furious lightshow as they try to hit you but can't effectively. Small shield booster runs constant and will take care of what damage they do land. fyi - if you get slowed down (web or hung on a rock or something) you are red glowing dust in about 1.7 seconds. Fun, though!"

If you get popped in 1.7 sec if you get webbed, then you just need a better fit. Something is wrong.

I don't orbit the BSs, (I don't speed tank). My Tengu can absorb damage from many BSs, and it's active tanked. As I said I actually save the BSs for last.

Could you show us your Tengu fit?

-Kirst

PS: I'm going to dust of my Tengu and run a few L4s.

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#30 - 2017-01-08 22:59:41 UTC
Agondray wrote:
ever since the barghest came out everyone is obsessed with using it for pve because of it simply having a faster missile speed, not a launch rate or anything while there are other ships that fill the hole better.


Barghest has 6 launchers with a 50% damage bonus for 9 effective launchers so it has a dps advantage, most other missile ships (raven, navy raven, golem, typhoon) end up with 8 effective launchers. is a lot like a machariel that shoots missiles with better speed and agility than most other missile ships too.

Personally I like the bargest because it can mjd/mwd out of range of everything and head shot the mission completion triggers with cruise missiles. Or use auto-targeting missiles to semi afk the mission.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#31 - 2017-01-09 01:32:32 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
Vortexo said,


"Tengu is fun but slower mission completion overall if you care about that.

Pop the small stuff then mediums while skirting at distance with AB, then orbit a BS and enjoy the furious lightshow as they try to hit you but can't effectively. Small shield booster runs constant and will take care of what damage they do land. fyi - if you get slowed down (web or hung on a rock or something) you are red glowing dust in about 1.7 seconds. Fun, though!"

If you get popped in 1.7 sec if you get webbed, then you just need a better fit. Something is wrong.

I don't orbit the BSs, (I don't speed tank). My Tengu can absorb damage from many BSs, and it's active tanked. As I said I actually save the BSs for last.

Could you show us your Tengu fit?

-Kirst

PS: I'm going to dust of my Tengu and run a few L4s.


Perhaps 1.7 seconds might be a bit exaggerated. Maybe it just feels that way. I actually haven't done a lvl4 in some time, nowdays I usually do the four empire epic arcs every 3 months. Feels like they might have a couple more BSs in them but pretty close to a lvl4. If your tengu can tank a bunch of BSs smacking you at point-blank range for awhile...well...good for you... My fits work for me, thanks. I think I will respectfully decline to submit my mission-tengu fits for approval. Thank you for your well-intentioned interest, though. o7


Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#32 - 2017-01-09 04:12:34 UTC
I can give my alt's Tengu fit when I get home. It is actually active shield cap stable and can put out up to 900 dps with fury HAMs.

Shocked
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#33 - 2017-01-09 15:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ion Kirst
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Ion Kirst wrote:
Vortexo said,


"Tengu is fun but slower mission completion overall if you care about that.

Pop the small stuff then mediums while skirting at distance with AB, then orbit a BS and enjoy the furious lightshow as they try to hit you but can't effectively. Small shield booster runs constant and will take care of what damage they do land. fyi - if you get slowed down (web or hung on a rock or something) you are red glowing dust in about 1.7 seconds. Fun, though!"

If you get popped in 1.7 sec if you get webbed, then you just need a better fit. Something is wrong.

I don't orbit the BSs, (I don't speed tank). My Tengu can absorb damage from many BSs, and it's active tanked. As I said I actually save the BSs for last.

Could you show us your Tengu fit?

-Kirst

PS: I'm going to dust of my Tengu and run a few L4s.


Perhaps 1.7 seconds might be a bit exaggerated. Maybe it just feels that way. I actually haven't done a lvl4 in some time, nowdays I usually do the four empire epic arcs every 3 months. Feels like they might have a couple more BSs in them but pretty close to a lvl4. If your tengu can tank a bunch of BSs smacking you at point-blank range for awhile...well...good for you... My fits work for me, thanks. I think I will respectfully decline to submit my mission-tengu fits for approval. Thank you for your well-intentioned interest, though. o7




I don't blame you for not wanting to post. Any fit gets run thru the gauntlet. So, yeah, sorry, I wanted to see where you were lacking.

I revisted a couple L4s last night in a HM Tengu. One was the "Score". Using EM missiles (rotating between Fury and Faction) it didn't get done vary efficiently. From notes I had from 2010, it took 4 volleys to take down some of the BSs. Last night it seemed like 6 or 7 volleys, but I really didn't count. That's the difference in the nerf heavies got. I was also over-tanked for this mission.

I'll post the fit later.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Ploing
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#34 - 2017-01-09 18:48:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ploing
[Tengu, HAHA HAM]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith A-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II

Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay

nice thing is you can also play with the scripts for really nice ranges or add a second SBA or an additional tp or....
if i remember correct i could tank up to 15-20 BS while webbed down.


hmm maybe also time to polish the hull a bit.
Muffinmixer
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2017-01-09 19:07:31 UTC
Burners are definitely worth it. They take minutes to complete and net you roughly 40% more LP and liquid ISK than the highest-paying regular L4 security mission from the same NPC agent. Running burners in hisec for SoE can easily net you over 150 mil/hr, which is on-par with modest null-sec carrier ratting.

The only thing that Burners require from you in order to run them is that you very carefully read the guides and follow the instructions. Anything less will just result in Rapid Wreck Conjuration of whatever ship you brought inside the mission site.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#36 - 2017-01-09 23:05:52 UTC
[Tengu, BLAMgu]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Analog Booster Afterburner
Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Mission Specific Shield Field II
Mission Specific Shield Field II
Mission Specific Shield Field II
Peripheral Compact Target Painter

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer


Now you can bling wherever you want but this thing tanks like a beast and puts the hurt out so I felt I didn't need the extra bling. According to the fitting window, this fit is 525.3m isk and can handle any L4 mission thrown at her.

With her skills, she throws out 884 dps with the Rage HAMs and around 670 dps with Javelins. It is cap stable at 2% and can go over 900 dps tank vs Guristas (around 1200 dps OH).
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#37 - 2017-01-14 03:06:09 UTC
Marauders used to be the end-all/be-all for mission clearing and salvaging, but it seems that loot prices have dropped off the face of the earth - so I'm not sure the cost justification is still there anymore.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

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