EVE General Discussion

Way to prove Scipio right. He decides that it is not worth fleshing out his argument and is fine to let it drop, but here you are trying to interpret his argument in a way that he did not imply.

Scipio specifically refused to explain his opinion, and thereafter specifically stated it as personal. If he refuses to explain his argument, especially when prompted to do so, that in no way prevents me from arguing it as it is currently presented. That is not a matter of interpretation. Its a matter of what has been said.

Nowhere did Scipio write or imply that a new player is like a child. He said that getting "griefed" by an alpha is like getting griefed by a child. Further from reading Scipio's posts he sees griefing not as a specific act, but a mindset/frame of mind. If you get killed on a NS gate by a camp and call it griefing you have the mindset that Scipio is talking about. If you got killed in NS to a gate camp and view it as just part of the game and move on....you do not have that mindset.

The direct conclusion, is that Alphas are children, and getting griefed by them is like being griefed by a child, by your own explanation. Which implicates an adult player to react to them, as if to a child, rather than the adult they are. I agree on your delineation of what constitutes griefing. I hate the term myself, and it is misused.

Part of the problem with all these griefing threads, IMO, is that people have a mindset that is not really suited to the game. If you die in a way you don't like that is not griefing. Griefing in EVE is very limited. Luring noobs into a fight in a starter system is an example of griefing, for example. Ganking, corp thefts, scams, gate camping in NS/LS, roams, BLOPs are not griefing no matter how much you don't like it. It is a part of the game that CCP not only tolerates, IMO, but that they implicitly encourage. They have a farking video out there of a guy getting revenge on an alliance by robbing them blind.

I agree.

Yes, emotions are normal, but when you are an adult it is expected that your emotions have less control over you than a child. We expect a child to throw a tantrum, we do not expect it from a child. Are new players children? No, and nothing Scipio wrote indicates he thinks this way. And I don't want to hear your "by extension" bullshit because that stuff is just an outright lie.

He implied Alphas as children, and Omegas as adults. He furthermore stated that an emotional reaction to what happens in a video game is "immature" and hence childish. I argue that the emotional experience of frustration and anger at a loss, is normal. I agree its expression should be tempered by maturity, but the fact that we experience it, is normal and natural in both adults and children.

Oh, and heads up, Alpha clones are not necessarily "new players". If I let my account lapse I'd be an Alpha clone, but I'd be nowhere close to being a new player.

This is obvious. But apparently not to Scipio, whom directly associated Alphas as "children".