EVE General Discussion

Is deriving joy from a video game also a sign of immaturity? After all, it's just a video game, right?

Athletes get upset over losses all the time. That doesn't make them immature. It makes them human. They're not robots. Now, obviously how you control your feelings is a different story all together.

You said:



By extension, someone that gets upset over a loss in a video game is not mature.

I'm trying to figure out if you also apply this logic to someone that derives joy from a video game. Does your comment apply to ball games and wooden boards/pieces, or is only applicable to video games?

i'm trying to understand the extent to which you believe this.

If you say so I guess. That isn't what I'm saying at all though.

I think I addressed the aspect of joy from a video game in my previous post. It's neither and not even relevant to this thread.

Aside from that, the fact that I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child, is really just one opinion. No more valid or invalid than anyone else's. It's certainly not worth all the time spent in this thread analysing it. I'm no one special, so my view doesn't carry any more weight than anyone else's. It's just an opinion.

I can, yes.

Edit: more detail coming. I'm out photographing at the moment so just typing on a phone.

Edit2: actually, it doesn't matter what I write. It'll be interpreted how people want, to push their own message anyway. So read into it what you want. That's what will happen no matter how much clarification is made. It's just one opinion. Nothing more.

I used to be in the corp that the OP is in

Yeah. Whatever.

You refused to substantiate your opinion of labeling new players as children, and those beset by them as adults, as somehow reacting badly to the actions of a child, or vice versa.

I don't see the relevance, substance or rationale behind your opinion at all.

Emotions are normal for all humans. Adults have no more or less emotions than children do.
New players are no less adult than old ones.

I asked you to explain your opinion.
You refused.

Therefore I have nothing else than my own interpretation of what you said.

My opinion, and the reason I asked, is I am tired of "maturity" arguments and inflections.
According to most normative attitudes on what constitutes being an adult, none of us should be playing video games.

It is false to think vets are "adults", and new players "children".
They are overwhelmingly as adult as you or I (barring those who actually are children).

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's fine. Your interpretation doesn't reflect my opinion and my only issue is when it's claimed it does. Otherwise, I don't care how you interpret what I write.

If it was anyone else asking these questions Salvos, I would probably feel like responding. I just don't have the care to devote much time to you at all.

Way to prove Scipio right. He decides that it is not worth fleshing out his argument and is fine to let it drop, but here you are trying to interpret his argument in a way that he did not imply.

Nowhere did Scipio write or imply that a new player is like a child. He said that getting "griefed" by an alpha is like getting griefed by a child. Further from reading Scipio's posts he sees griefing not as a specific act, but a mindset/frame of mind. If you get killed on a NS gate by a camp and call it griefing you have the mindset that Scipio is talking about. If you got killed in NS to a gate camp and view it as just part of the game and move on....you do not have that mindset.

Part of the problem with all these griefing threads, IMO, is that people have a mindset that is not really suited to the game. If you die in a way you don't like that is not griefing. Griefing in EVE is very limited. Luring noobs into a fight in a starter system is an example of griefing, for example. Ganking, corp thefts, scams, gate camping in NS/LS, roams, BLOPs are not griefing no matter how much you don't like it. It is a part of the game that CCP not only tolerates, IMO, but that they implicitly encourage. They have a farking video out there of a guy getting revenge on an alliance by robbing them blind.

Yes, emotions are normal, but when you are an adult it is expected that your emotions have less control over you than a child. We expect a child to throw a tantrum, we do not expect it from a adult. Are new players children? No, and nothing Scipio wrote indicates he thinks this way. And I don't want to hear your "by extension" bullshit because that stuff is just an outright lie.

Oh, and heads up, Alpha clones are not necessarily "new players". If I let my account lapse I'd be an Alpha clone, but I'd be nowhere close to being a new player.