EVE General Discussion

Not at all.

We are just looking at it differently.

You're looking at it from character capabilities, I'm looking at it from player maturity. People that are mature don't get upset by things that happen in a video game.

But each to their own. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Double post.

People have another sandbox, it was brought home to me when a ganker told me it was sad to play the way I did with acute parnoia, I laughed, because all I was doing was managing my risk in a very intelligent way, if there is no counter available to me I don't do it. You have your sandbox I have mine, if you want to crash my sandbox give it a go, but you won't be able to, because your would die of boredom.

I understand Keno Skir from my email exchange, his is the thrill of the hunt, I get that because I have done that, he also takes hard fights as he is a pirate. I understand what you do and your buzz too, both of you are playing the game to have fun, that is fine.

I have explained to a lot of people how to play this game to be hard to kill and play with an attitude to frustrate those who like tears, I was told by one ganker I was a griefer and in some senses he is right.

And did you realise that I actually deliberately set it up so it is not worth your time or anyone else for that matter. For example Jonah tried to hire mercs to kill me because I had hurt his feelings, but the Mercs told him no because it was not worth it, and do you know what that gave me a huge buzz, because I had won Eve for me.

In terms of your point, was that against Herzog or me, simple disagreement can be a lot more complex if you want to get to the root of the disagreement. You disagree based on your sandbox, I disagree to a degree based on mine, I have a view of balance that is different to yours. I think you enjoy the thrill of the hunt I can relate to that as I get a buzz from that, if you remember that earlier conversation we had I was not belittling you but merely trying to understand your statement that I did not get Eve and I did if I view it from your sandbox, but you do not get my Eve because you called it a tail of woe which I find amusing. Think it through, I know you have the brain for it.

You added this afterwards:



I have not blocked you, I read your posts, that should tell you something, I also admitted that I was wrong on something to you, because you were right, you don't need to prove anything to me.

1) For me a PvE fit ship for a noob or an alpha is not a good fight, we had this discussion previously, the hunt and catching him would be a buzz for me however.

2) Great, I have the feeling that you will help players who ask you about the loss like the majority of Eve players

3) Been there and done it, it is good fun and I wish you luck in it, because the top end PvP combat now with the stripping away of logi with the evil little destroyers, the counter to bombers with defender missiles, and the very sophisticated carrier based fighting which is really good should be experienced by all Eve players, this is something really good, I really like what CCP has done here it is brilliant, well done Dark Razor who I flew under in the Tribute war, this is just so damn good. People need to try it out.

Your Chess example was so obviously inappropriate to the discussion I judged it would be to my advantage not to make any comment. In contrast, I had to challenge the guy who used the Fallacy of Division because it's quite effective on some people (far too many :(

I'm not sure you're accurately representing your play style, but I suspect your forum persona is more effective than I could ever be at encouraging "facilitators" to think about what they are supporting.

It is not a case of immaturity and saying it like that as a throw away line is really being insulting. People want to win and sometimes they get angry at losing, too angry at times, or they get upset if they see it as unfair, in many cases they are wrong, but in some areas they have a point. To call it simply immaturity is wrong, is it immature to get a high for blowing someone up and gathering his tears in a vidoe game if I use your example, no it is not. It works both ways, the thing is suggesting someone is immature because he gets upset is simplistic and judgemental and is an easy way to say I am superior when it means nothing apart from that person needs to take it less seriously and control his anger better.

Double post

That is because you use immaturity only when it suits you, is it immature to get a high from upsetting someone? Two immature people together? Where does it end and where does it start, that is why so many people despise ganker aligned players because most are roaring hypocrites.

Well you define anyone as losing their temper over a game as immature, I think that is a simplistic and immature thing to say, after all I have seen tennis stars throw their rackets into the crowd with a bad line call, or smash them into the ground, they were taking out their frustration on losing, now I would get upset with the first example because that could have hurt someone but the second was acceptable, if he wants to break an expensive racket then it is his lookout. That explosive reaction to high stakes in a game is commonplace, is it really immature?

That is why I never react to that initial rage and anger in Eve.

You have your opinion fine, but mature people see it as bullshite in this case.

Actually, I don't see how something being common somehow makes it mature. It's also quite common for grown men to play with plush pony toys. 'It's common' is not an argument against throwing a tantrum over losing pixels being immature I'm sorry, it just means immaturity is common. For the record, I don't see immaturity as being a bad thing. I do a lot of immature things that I quite enjoy and feel no shame about. The problem with getting mad over pixels isn't just that it's immature, but that it demonstrates an ignorance of rule 1 of EVE: don't undock what you're not prepared to lose. If you are prepared to lose your ship, and consider it forfeit every time you undock in such a way that getting it back to dock is a bonus, then you won't be so upset when you lose it. That is how you actually win EVE, by remembering it's just a game.

I put some feelers out with reference to placing a contract on you, not because you had hurt my feelings but because you're a bit of an arse, the general consensus of opinion was that YOU'RE not worth wasting my money on.

No price was mentioned, nor was it a serious dialogue; with many jokes being made at your expense.