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Wormhole Walter
Kherub Angels
#1 - 2017-01-07 18:10:38 UTC
Been doing c2 and c3.s in a Gila and tengu i now want to try c4's i have a golem lying round somewhere in space i need to dig it our and fit it correctly.
Can someone suggest an upto date golem fit for a c4? i have not played the game very much at all in the last 18mth

cheers
Gallente Citizen 85214359
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-01-07 18:30:55 UTC
Any cookie cutter fit will work in a c4 with a golem but you're asking to be no fun fleeted using a golem in wh space.
Wormhole Walter
Kherub Angels
#3 - 2017-01-07 18:48:24 UTC
Gallente Citizen 85214359 wrote:
Any cookie cutter fit will work in a c4 with a golem but you're asking to be no fun fleeted using a golem in wh space.



so what is the general go get ship for solo c4's? caldari with missiles is my skill base
Jonn Duune
OpSec.
Wrong Hole.
#4 - 2017-01-08 00:29:17 UTC
passive rattlesnake

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.
Gallente Citizen 85214359
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2017-01-08 07:27:37 UTC
Wormhole Walter wrote:
Gallente Citizen 85214359 wrote:
Any cookie cutter fit will work in a c4 with a golem but you're asking to be no fun fleeted using a golem in wh space.



so what is the general go get ship for solo c4's? caldari with missiles is my skill base

I don't know many people who solo c4's. It's usually an activity done by dual boxers or with corp mates.

I'm sure there are rattlesnake fits that will work.

Just be careful using that golem if that is the route you end up going, people come far and wide for a golem kill in WH space.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#6 - 2017-01-08 08:15:56 UTC
Wormhole Walter wrote:

Can someone suggest an upto date golem fit for a c4? i have not played the game very much at all in the last 18mth

cheers


yeah, don't use a marauder in WH space. those Bastion modules will get you killed.
i run C5s with a pair (or more) of cap transferring, shield boosting rattles with MJDs (the mjd has saved me numerous times).

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Glyndi
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#7 - 2017-01-08 08:28:40 UTC
Marauders are fine if your fine with the risk of losing it.

A T2 fit Golem would make easy work of C4s, though in one of the sites the sleepers RR pretty hard (i forget which site/wave). So if your cruise skills aren't that high (T2) or your not running all lvl5s for supports you prob don't want to use it yet.

Something like this would be ok...

http://puu.sh/tf9Wm/889955bd23.png

I'm sure there are 'better' options but this would at least be a good starting point. Just know that this fit and hull are still at about 1.4b..
Wormhole Walter
Kherub Angels
#8 - 2017-01-08 23:04:55 UTC
how about this fit will it be ok for c4's?


[Rattlesnake]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Pithum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II


Ogre II x2
Gecko x2

Inferno Cruise Missile x3465
Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x4975
Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile x1000
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#9 - 2017-01-11 05:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Wormhole Walter wrote:
how about this fit will it be ok for c4's?

[Rattlesnake]



I don't think so. If you are going snake it has to be 100% passive, no Invuls no booster. Hell i'm not even sure if that could do a C3, it has like 260 active tank and 460 passive regen which is less than a standard active fit but with way worse cap.

There is a fit listed in this thread. you can T2 all the things though, that one is a bit bling.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=506420&find=unread

Just sit on a Mobile Depo and fit for more damage/tank as required.
Kapten Conn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2017-01-11 10:31:35 UTC
Ahoy! For you background checkers, do not get fooled by my old age.
I do not have that much history other than gaining some skillpoints and playing only few times.

But in that time I have had a chance to build solo C3 Rattlesnake that I ran with one of my IRL friends, who was running another solo Rattlesnake + salvaging ship with his alt. We made around 500M an hour after starting in one of C3 with full combat site list.

So after that experience our new corp broke up because of reasons. My friend went to Uni, now back in one of the holes with new corp doing PvP and PvE. I am tickling applying to their corp as well, but can't really find enough time to do so (I am afraid of commiting too much sleep time). May be it will not consume that much time, but in the mean time I have made many different Rattlesnake builds, so I hope you find one of them useful...

REMINDER! I have not run C4 sites, so think this thing through yourself!

[Rattlesnake, C3 Solo XL cruise relic C4 combat MJD relax]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I


Gecko x1
Bouncer II x2
Hobgoblin II x5
Curator II x2


Mid-grade Crystal Alpha
Mid-grade Crystal Beta
Mid-grade Crystal Gamma
Mid-grade Crystal Delta
Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-603
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management EM-803
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003
Strong Blue Pill Booster


Inferno Fury Cruise Missile x5000
Inferno Precision Cruise Missile x2500
Strong Blue Pill Booster x1
Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile x2500

With Alpha and Beta (~30 mil total) you are running around 1400 omni tank, 27 GJ/s over recharge, 6250 GJ total and 1129 dps
This build should run C3 relics AND C4 combats no problem.

By adding Gamma and Delta (adds ~130 mil) + Strong Blue Pill Booster you should be able to run C4 relic and data sites solo. Total tank will be 2010 omni tank (I do not know the damageprofile of the Safeguard battleships, but I think this setup will do fine).

Setup cost without implants is just around 900 mil. Keep in mind that you need to use 3% CPU, medium Alpha and Beta crystal implants which run around 50 mil total.

If you do not want to use Boosters then in that case you need to pump the cost of the ship higher and / or add some more Crystal implants.


If you got a friend(s), then I would strongly recommend running in Duo build which open up more possibilities like:

[Rattlesnake, X duo C4 implants booster]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
'Dyad' Co-Processor I

Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II, ECCM Script
Heavy Stasis Grappler II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II

Large Egress Port Maximizer II
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Gecko x1
Curator II x2
Bouncer II x2
Hobgoblin II x5


Mid-grade Crystal Alpha
Mid-grade Crystal Beta
Mid-grade Crystal Gamma
Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-603
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management EM-803
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003
Standard Blue Pill Booster


Inferno Fury Cruise Missile x5000
Inferno Precision Cruise Missile x2500
Standard Blue Pill Booster x1
Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile x2500

This will run 1570 tank (with 3 implants and Standard Booster), 1070 dps for each ship, +38 GJ/s cap, 6890 GJ cap.
On top of that you will get 2 med slots to play with.
1. Slot: As this build gets wrecked if you break your spider target, so I added Sensor Booster with ECCM script which can be swapped to Scan Resolution Script for faster targeting (until someone decides to jump you).
2. Slot: You can add different module like point / web (mixing up along friends) to make it possible to fight back.

Other idea would be to add Large capacitor to counter neuts. Unfortunately as far as I have read this Capacitor warfare resistance bonus does not counter sleeper neuts...

If you want to run C4 relic and data sites you would like to swap out the web / point (electornic warfare) equipment with another Shield Boost Amplifier II and you should be good to go.

If you feel safe in that C4 you could just swap out Sensor booster and web / point with omnidirectinoal and paint to apply dps better. Or you could add in second shield boost amp and lose the booster pill.

This build runs you around 625 mil per ship. + implants (80 mil for crystals and 20 mil for CPU).

REMINDER! I have not run C4 with either of the builds, so think this thing through or add some more information I am not aware of. I can redo the build as you require.