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Meta Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane completly useless

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Tordar Ohmiras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2017-01-06 13:12:58 UTC
blargderp wrote:
I think the real issue here is the fact that it's SIGNIFICANTLY easier and more effective to fit a shield omnitank than it is an armor omnitank. honestly armor just needs a rework all around.


Only half true. Because omni shield tank needs cap so as soon as they are dry they will pop fast. For this problem you get the better resistances.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#22 - 2017-01-06 14:41:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
You must have missed the part where people have mentioned the meta 4 adaptive nano plating offers better resistance than the meta 0-4 ENAMs at 0 CPU cost.
Edit: and only requires hull upgrades 1 to use.

Wondering what module you are rambling on about here, so off to the fit tools (PYFA and EvE HQ) I go to see if I can locate this magic module I had never seen before.

So I started my search at the "energized armor layering" module group since I had dismissed them when writing my initial post. Did I miss something there? Answer is no I did not, as I had initially thought they do not offer any boosts to your resistances, since the OP specifically mentions resistances in his post I will again dismiss this entire group of modules. But before I do I will point out that all of these do require cpu from a low of 20tf to a high of 30tf.

Moving on to the "energized adaptive plating" modules as a group and this time looking at all versions of them instead of just the T1 metas and the T2 as the OP mentions. All of them offer various levels of boosts to your resistance as specifically mentioned by the OP so we are at least in the right group. But no where do I see one that has 0tf cpu. In fact they range from a low of 24tf for the 'Pilfer' Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane to a high of 40tf for several of the Officer variants.

Now I want to deal with the skills aspect as a separate and it is clear that you do not understand this portion of my comment. I do not care that there is a module that only requires a level 1 skill. It was the REQUIREMENT for the level 5 skill to use the T2 variant that I was commenting about. And that is still true, for a new player who has virtually everything to train or an SP limited Alpha character using training time or skill points on a level 4 and level 5 skill may not be the best option.

So we get to the end of this post and I am still left with the question. Just where do I find this adaptive module that offers better resistance boosts to armor than the meta 0-4, uses 0 cpuAND only requires a level 1 skill to fit?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2017-01-06 14:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
Donnachadh wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
You must have missed the part where people have mentioned the meta 4 adaptive nano plating offers better resistance than the meta 0-4 ENAMs at 0 CPU cost.
Edit: and only requires hull upgrades 1 to use.

Wondering what module you are rambling on about here, so off to the fit tools (PYFA and EvE HQ) I go to see if I can locate this magic module I had never seen before.
So we get to the end of this post and I am still left with the question. Just where do I find this adaptive module that offers better resistance boosts to armor than the meta 0-4, uses 0 cpuAND only requires a level 1 skill to fit?

Daichi Yamato wrote:
You forgot the refuge adaptive nano plating as well.
Should be solved when they get rebalanced. Fingers crossed it gets done soon. Been hoarding these things since before prop mods were rebalanced.

Omnathious Deninard wrote:

The 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating has the same resistance bonus as the T2 one which is higher than ALL meta 0-4 energized adaptive nano membranes, with the benefit of also having no CPU needs.


Daichi Yamato wrote:

Use the compare tool with the meta energized adaptives and a 'refuge adaptive'.
If you have ever used any meta energized adaptive nano membranes you have been:
- paying more isk
- Using more cpu
- Getting less resist bonus

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Darkwing Fiftytwo
Hookers N' Blow
#24 - 2017-01-06 17:40:47 UTC
They will be tiericiding weapon systems first, then i think all these tanking modules are next...

so like in 5 years it will be done.

You forgot to mention the faction nano plates which are exactly the same as T2.


blargderp
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2017-01-06 17:57:58 UTC
Tordar Ohmiras wrote:
blargderp wrote:
I think the real issue here is the fact that it's SIGNIFICANTLY easier and more effective to fit a shield omnitank than it is an armor omnitank. honestly armor just needs a rework all around.


Only half true. Because omni shield tank needs cap so as soon as they are dry they will pop fast. For this problem you get the better resistances.

invuln fields and/or hardeners take nowhere near as much cap as a single armor repper though.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2017-01-06 18:49:58 UTC
blargderp wrote:
I think the real issue here is the fact that it's SIGNIFICANTLY easier and more effective to fit a shield omnitank than it is an armor omnitank. honestly armor just needs a rework all around.

Yes. Armor is supposed to have more EHP, while shields are supposed to rep faster. Back before tiericide, shield tanks were just plain better because they actually had the same EHP as armor, and also because damage mods were utterly vital to beating OP logi. But CCP forgot how the game was supposed to work, and they left logi OP while buffing remote armor reps and forgetting about onboard reps because nobody but mission-runners and newbs use them. So now we have the same EHP on armor and shield tanks, the same rep rate on armor and shield logi, slightly OP shield tanks for solo PVE, and weak yet cap-efficient armor tanks for solo PVE if you are willing to warp out every 5 minutes because you don't have any EHP.

Armor only gets a slight margin on armor EHP on cruisers and battlecruisers because they can fit 1600mm armor plates but there's no equivalent shield extender. Battleships don't have any decent armor plates or shield extenders, so they just use trimark and extender rigs.

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blargderp
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2017-01-06 18:57:56 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Armor only gets a slight margin on armor EHP on cruisers and battlecruisers because they can fit 1600mm armor plates but there's no equivalent shield extender. Battleships don't have any decent armor plates or shield extenders, so they just use trimark and extender rigs.


most, if not all, of my medium and large sized shield tanks use large shield extender IIs, they're not that bad.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#28 - 2017-01-06 18:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ACESsiggy
What could be tweaked is the Armor Compensation skill providing passive module bonuses to Energized and not the Nano.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#29 - 2017-01-06 19:42:05 UTC
What you might be missing donna is that there are energized and non-energized types of adaptive nano plating.

Energized take up cpu, cost more isk and are more skill intensive but are generally more powerful. However, the meta 4 non-energized adaptive nano membrane, called 'refuge', is better than every meta energized adaptive nano membrane in every way.

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Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#30 - 2017-01-06 21:53:38 UTC
CCP needs to finish what they start and stop quitting half way through a game phase/update.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#31 - 2017-01-06 22:45:59 UTC
blargderp wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Armor only gets a slight margin on armor EHP on cruisers and battlecruisers because they can fit 1600mm armor plates but there's no equivalent shield extender. Battleships don't have any decent armor plates or shield extenders, so they just use trimark and extender rigs.


most, if not all, of my medium and large sized shield tanks use large shield extender IIs, they're not that bad.


The main advantage of armour comes in utility mids. You don't see many double Web shield ships. And active mid slots are more powerful than their passive low slot counterparts.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2017-01-07 02:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
blargderp wrote:
most, if not all, of my medium and large sized shield tanks use large shield extender IIs, they're not that bad.

It's a ~30% HP increase, which is better than the never-used armor layering which only grants 15%, but the main reason to ever use it over an adaptive invulnerability field on a battleship is stacking penalty because you already have two of them--or on a battleship with low shield HP that wasn't meant for shield tanking. It doesn't cost much less CPU. It's not a good module for battleships at all, it's just marginally useful. The lack of larger shield extenders hurts battlecruisers and battleships without precedent.

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