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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#441 - 2017-01-05 08:21:15 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
you can take that ad-hom projection of yours, and shove it up your arse.

Teckos Pech wrote:
Since I have a loved one who has suffered through major depression I have to say, if Herzog was making a joke I think a permanent forum ban would be in order as it is no laughing matter.


I refer you to the dozens of incidents of Remiel, yourself and others being abusive, insulting and disrespectful of people that may infact be suffering from serious clinical depressions, autism or any number of conditions without you knowing it.



I'm going to stop you right there and remind you that this is not a psychology forum, nor are you a professional psychologist. I know this because, as I stated before, if you were, you would know that unsolicited advice is actually illegal, as is sharing private information such as diagnoses. I treat you like crap, and others, when they are worth crap. Less than crap. And I simply have no tolerance for your bullshit anymore. You can call it whatever you want, but if you're going to use serious mental conditions to 'other' people just because they don't behave in a way that you find acceptable, then you are actually incredibly disgusting. People are different, and not everyone is going to either agree with you, or like you, regardless of what you think of their behaviour, and that does not indicate a mental condition. In fact, you are also required, by law, to provide a client with a very specific minimum number of hours of analyses prior to issuing a formal diagnosis of any kind, a formal diagnosis being the only legal one that matters.

I know all this because I am, in fact, autistic. Twenty years ago, I did CBT and a full range of professional treatments. These days, I know who I am, what I am, and I have no insecurities about myself. It's why it's so easy for me to make real friends that matter, because I feel no obligation to impress anyone, or give a **** what they think of me. Autism, however, does not indicate anything, because it is a spectrum, with a range of comorbidities that have as much chance of occuring as not occuring in any given person with autism. I'm afraid, though, that I'm not depressed, nor do I feel like killing myself, which is what B4R is really all about, and for Herzog to direct me there as if my criticism was little more than the result of depression-driven rage is not just dismissive to the point of being ad-hominem, but it's also dismissive of people with the real deal, as if that's the way we expect them to behave.

Let me tell you how someone with depression would actually behave here. They would probably break down and give up the moment someone said anything negative to them, and would be much more unlikely to stand up for themselves as I have in this thread, because depression causes massive drops in self-esteem due to insecurities, insecurities that result from people like you and Herzog being pretentious snobs with your heads so far up your own arses you can probably pleasure your own colons.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska
#442 - 2017-01-05 08:21:51 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
BTW, why don't you let Herzog defend himself.

And learn what a conditional statement means.


Your question has been answered.

You directed an insult at me by calling me a douche.
And I have already linked where you have insulted others too.
You have mo moral ground to stand on and this makes your presumption of innocence clearly false.

Your conditional clause is implicative, and loaded.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Diane Persis
#443 - 2017-01-05 08:23:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Diane Persis
Remiel Pollard wrote:
people like you and Herzog being pretentious snobs with your heads so far up your own arses you can probably pleasure your own colons.



You're trying to reason with people who love to argue and who love for problems and issues to exist and continue to exist, because they love to argue. No point.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#444 - 2017-01-05 08:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
BTW, why don't you let Herzog defend himself.

And learn what a conditional statement means.


Your question has been answered.

You directed an insult at me by calling me a douche.
And I have already linked where you have insulted others too.
You have mo moral ground to stand on and this makes your presumption of innocence clearly false.

Your conditional clause is implicative, and loaded.


Yes, because you accused me of something I did not do. And why is Herzog not defending himself while here you are his zealot advocate. Let him answer for himself and stop defending him.

Either Herzog:

A. Made a very tasteless joke.
B. Honestly felt that Remiel was in psychiatric distress, but for the life of me why he would think this is beyond me.

Stop doubling down on stupid.

Edit: Oh and the Goddamn irony of you complaining about a loaded statement. You just broke my irony meter. Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#445 - 2017-01-05 08:28:20 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:




Remiel. You Ok? B4R is ^


I hope you're not belittling real life emotional anxiety by comparing it to a difference of opinion over a video game. That would be incredibly trashy of you.



You just contradicted yourself to such an extent I'm going to sit back and marvel at it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#446 - 2017-01-05 08:29:11 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:




Remiel. You Ok? B4R is ^


I hope you're not belittling real life emotional anxiety by comparing it to a difference of opinion over a video game. That would be incredibly trashy of you.



You just contradicted yourself to such an extent I'm going to sit back and marvel at it.


Seriously?

Okay then.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#447 - 2017-01-05 08:29:39 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
BTW, why don't you let Herzog defend himself.

And learn what a conditional statement means.


Your question has been answered.

You directed an insult at me by calling me a douche.
And I have already linked where you have insulted others too.
You have mo moral ground to stand on and this makes your presumption of innocence clearly false.

Your conditional clause is implicative, and loaded.


Yes, because you accused me of something I did not do. And why is Herzog not defending himself while here you are his zealot advocate. Let him answer for himself and stop defending him.

Either Herzog:

A. Made a very tasteless joke.
B. Honestly felt that Remiel was in psychiatric distress, but for the life of me why he would think this is beyond me.

Stop doubling down on stupid.

Edit: Oh and the Goddamn irony of you complaining about a loaded statement. You just broke my irony meter. Roll


Hmmm

Concern trolling
Pearl clutching
Virtue signaling

Very SJW of you. I'm still seeing you at the keyboard, purple hair, 5 genders and a virgin in all of them.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#448 - 2017-01-05 08:33:52 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


Remiel. You Ok? B4R is ^


I hope you were being sincere otherwise you are noting but a complete and giant douche.

I know what I'd be putting my money on.

Herzog being a bot aligned lying douche.




Awwww Shae. I have yet to call you names. I will silently laugh at the mental picture I have of you. When are you going to learn that nobody cares how you feel about anything?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Salvos Rhoska
#449 - 2017-01-05 08:34:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I know this because, as I stated before, if you were, you would know that unsolicited advice is actually illegal, as is sharing private information such as diagnoses. I treat you like crap, and others, when they are worth crap. Less than crap. And I simply have no tolerance for your bullshit anymore. You can call it whatever you want, but if you're going to use serious mental conditions to 'other' people just because they don't behave in a way that you find acceptable, then you are actually incredibly disgusting. People are different, and not everyone is going to either agree with you, or like you, regardless of what you think of their behaviour, and that does not indicate a mental condition. In fact, you are also required, by law, to provide a client with a very specific minimum number of hours of analyses prior to issuing a formal diagnosis of any kind, a formal diagnosis being the only legal one that matters.

I know all this because I am, in fact, autistic. Twenty years ago, I did CBT and a full range of professional treatments. These days, I know who I am, what I am, and I have no insecurities about myself. It's why it's so easy for me to make real friends that matter, because I feel no obligation to impress anyone, or give a **** what they think of me. Autism, however, does not indicate anything, because it is a spectrum, with a range of comorbidities that have as much chance of occuring as not occuring in any given person with autism. I'm afraid, though, that I'm not depressed, nor do I feel like killing myself, which is what B4R is really all about, and for Herzog to direct me there as if my criticism was little more than the result of depression-driven rage is not just dismissive to the point of being ad-hominem, but it's also dismissive of people with the real deal, as if that's the way we expect them to behave.

Let me tell you how someone with depression would actually behave here. They would probably break down and give up the moment someone said anything negative to them, and would be much more unlikely to stand up for themselves as I have in this thread, because depression causes massive drops in self-esteem due to insecurities, insecurities that result from people like you and Herzog being pretentious snobs with your heads so far up your own arses you can probably pleasure your own colons.


This has gone far enough.

Trying to excuse ones incessant, persistent insulting, abusive and disrespectful behavior towards multiple persons over 20 pages, behind claiming one has a psychiatric condition is utterly outrageous.

It is the pinnacle of offensiveness to denigrate, misrepresent and ostracize people with serious psychiatric conditions, by trying to use them, or those conditions, as a shield to justify ones own insulting, abusive and disrespectful behavior towards other people.

Furthermore you have made a libelous accusations of criminal conduct on my part, with no supporting evidence, which are categorically false, and a criminal act in and of itself.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#450 - 2017-01-05 08:37:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
This has gone far enough.

Trying to excuse ones incessant, persistent insulting, abusive and disrespectful behavior towards multiple persons over 20 pages, behind claiming one has a psychiatric condition is utterly outrageous.

Furthermore you have made a libelous accusations of criminal conduct on my part, with no supporting evidence, which are categorically false, and a criminal act in and of itself.


So call the cops. See if I care. I was just pointing out how I know you're absolutely no expert whatsoever in psychology or psychiatry.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#451 - 2017-01-05 08:37:46 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
This has gone far enough.

Trying to excuse ones incessant, persistent insulting, abusive and disrespectful behavior towards multiple persons over 20 pages, behind claiming one has a psychiatric condition is utterly outrageous.

Furthermore you have made a libelous accusations of criminal conduct on my part, with no supporting evidence, which are categorically false, and a criminal act in and of itself.


Roll

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#452 - 2017-01-05 08:41:09 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I hope you're not belittling real life emotional anxiety by comparing it to a difference of opinion over a video game. That would be incredibly trashy of you
...
you and your opinions are as worthless as that NPC corp you're in.

Teckos Pech wrote:
I hope you were being sincere otherwise you are nothing but a complete and giant douche.

Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Herzog being a bot aligned lying douche.
...
Of course, you wouldn't just be a gutless sperg would you?

Galaxy Duck wrote:
...bunch of spergs.


And the ad-hominem insult brigade continues.

Whilst ignoring the dozens of incidents of personal abuse, insults and disrespect Remiel and these others continue to lay on those that disagree with them.

Its like you learned nothing.

You went right back to self-destructing your own thread and exhibiting exactly the behavior for which you have already been called out on and criticized.



The toxic community of Eve is the real reason why people roll their eyes when I tell them I played it - or used to play it (PC is crashing from it anyway and it's way down the fixit list), and this toxic community is damaging it. The people who would least know it are the problem. Everybody else knows it. Eve is the "snack pack throwing kid" in the corner.

Long ago CCP took a more active role in community management so that while there has always been ganks, awoxing, scamming, and all other nefarious fckery, the sandbox did not become a litterbox. There was a sense of community for all players before these disturbed people showed up. I watched this degeneracy go on for a long time, getting worse. You'd think it went out with the E1 scandal, but that "crowd" has just been more butthurt and doubling down ever since.

So... getting back on topic.... it sure is fun seeing them hate something and cry over something with NPCs not going their way. If the argument is made that this should be the case for all NPC organizations, then I'm all for it. Let it rain. Maybe I'll log in again - if there is ever an improvement in the management.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Etain Darklightner Agittain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#453 - 2017-01-05 08:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Etain Darklightner Agittain
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Etain Darklightner Agittain wrote:
I'm an NPC alt, lol


You've already shown what side you're on with your 'observations'. I don't care what you have to say either. If someone wants to actually discuss the point in a manner befitting a grown adult, one that doesn't favour a single group of players at the expense of anyone's playstyle, that's the discussion I want to have, because if you'd read and understood what I have to say so far, I'm not asking for an advantage, or a disadvantage, for anyone. I'm asking for the rebalancing of a demonstrably flawed mechanic skewed in the favour of one group of players in one NPC corp. I'm sure you've got your fingers crossed for that Aliastra mining fleet, so I'm going to ignore and/or troll you too now.



This is my jita/forum alt. No she's not in a relevant corp. My main, is. I rat, I solo pvp, I solo pve content. I've run in group roams and ganked gate campers. No I don't really care if you think this character is relevant enough to your standards or not. She's my forum alt.

So please, carry on with your assumptions and the idea that a forum alt can't be anything but that. You're a shallow individual remi, your last post just confirmed it. It also demonstrates you have no real point in any of this other than ranting over having your ship popped because you assumed there would be easy pickings. Done responding to you. I'll see you in space on my main.

There is nothing adult or we'll informed in your posts. You're an insulting, tedious, attention seeking individual who is not even remotely worth consideration as an intelligent person.
Salvos Rhoska
#454 - 2017-01-05 08:43:11 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Yes, because you accused me of something I did not do.


You have repeatedly insulted, abused and acted in a disrespectful manner towards other posters in this thread.

Including myself on multiple occasions.
I have quoted only a small segment of them.

These are documented. You did do them.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#455 - 2017-01-05 08:43:20 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


lots of stupid nonsense snipped



So were you joking or serious?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Salvos Rhoska
#456 - 2017-01-05 08:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Teckos Pech wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


lots of stupid nonsense snipped



So were you joking or serious?


Teckos Pech wrote:
Please learn to read douche.


Were you joking or serious when you called me a "douche"?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#457 - 2017-01-05 08:46:49 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
you can take that ad-hom projection of yours, and shove it up your arse.

Teckos Pech wrote:
Since I have a loved one who has suffered through major depression I have to say, if Herzog was making a joke I think a permanent forum ban would be in order as it is no laughing matter.


I refer you to the dozens of incidents of Remiel, yourself and others being abusive, insulting and disrespectful of people that may infact be suffering from serious clinical depressions, autism or any number of conditions without you knowing it.



I'm going to stop you right there and remind you that this is not a psychology forum, nor are you a professional psychologist. I know this because, as I stated before, if you were, you would know that unsolicited advice is actually illegal, as is sharing private information such as diagnoses. I treat you like crap, and others, when they are worth crap. Less than crap. And I simply have no tolerance for your bullshit anymore. You can call it whatever you want, but if you're going to use serious mental conditions to 'other' people just because they don't behave in a way that you find acceptable, then you are actually incredibly disgusting. People are different, and not everyone is going to either agree with you, or like you, regardless of what you think of their behaviour, and that does not indicate a mental condition. In fact, you are also required, by law, to provide a client with a very specific minimum number of hours of analyses prior to issuing a formal diagnosis of any kind, a formal diagnosis being the only legal one that matters.

I know all this because I am, in fact, autistic. Twenty years ago, I did CBT and a full range of professional treatments. These days, I know who I am, what I am, and I have no insecurities about myself. It's why it's so easy for me to make real friends that matter, because I feel no obligation to impress anyone, or give a **** what they think of me. Autism, however, does not indicate anything, because it is a spectrum, with a range of comorbidities that have as much chance of occuring as not occuring in any given person with autism. I'm afraid, though, that I'm not depressed, nor do I feel like killing myself, which is what B4R is really all about, and for Herzog to direct me there as if my criticism was little more than the result of depression-driven rage is not just dismissive to the point of being ad-hominem, but it's also dismissive of people with the real deal, as if that's the way we expect them to behave.

Let me tell you how someone with depression would actually behave here. They would probably break down and give up the moment someone said anything negative to them, and would be much more unlikely to stand up for themselves as I have in this thread, because depression causes massive drops in self-esteem due to insecurities, insecurities that result from people like you and Herzog being pretentious snobs with your heads so far up your own arses you can probably pleasure your own colons.


Oh dear. This is so full of goodies that explain everything.

Ok buddy. Anything you say. You are right and we are all wrong. Have a nice day.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#458 - 2017-01-05 08:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
It's like Lucas Kell and Veers had a baby and it's this thread.

Don't worry. I'm not gonna argue with anyone.
It's spicy ramen at work time for me.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#459 - 2017-01-05 08:50:13 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


lots of stupid nonsense snipped



So were you joking or serious?



yes

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#460 - 2017-01-05 08:53:46 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
you can take that ad-hom projection of yours, and shove it up your arse.

Teckos Pech wrote:
Since I have a loved one who has suffered through major depression I have to say, if Herzog was making a joke I think a permanent forum ban would be in order as it is no laughing matter.


I refer you to the dozens of incidents of Remiel, yourself and others being abusive, insulting and disrespectful of people that may infact be suffering from serious clinical depressions, autism or any number of conditions without you knowing it.



I'm going to stop you right there and remind you that this is not a psychology forum, nor are you a professional psychologist. I know this because, as I stated before, if you were, you would know that unsolicited advice is actually illegal, as is sharing private information such as diagnoses. I treat you like crap, and others, when they are worth crap. Less than crap. And I simply have no tolerance for your bullshit anymore. You can call it whatever you want, but if you're going to use serious mental conditions to 'other' people just because they don't behave in a way that you find acceptable, then you are actually incredibly disgusting. People are different, and not everyone is going to either agree with you, or like you, regardless of what you think of their behaviour, and that does not indicate a mental condition. In fact, you are also required, by law, to provide a client with a very specific minimum number of hours of analyses prior to issuing a formal diagnosis of any kind, a formal diagnosis being the only legal one that matters.

I know all this because I am, in fact, autistic. Twenty years ago, I did CBT and a full range of professional treatments. These days, I know who I am, what I am, and I have no insecurities about myself. It's why it's so easy for me to make real friends that matter, because I feel no obligation to impress anyone, or give a **** what they think of me. Autism, however, does not indicate anything, because it is a spectrum, with a range of comorbidities that have as much chance of occuring as not occuring in any given person with autism. I'm afraid, though, that I'm not depressed, nor do I feel like killing myself, which is what B4R is really all about, and for Herzog to direct me there as if my criticism was little more than the result of depression-driven rage is not just dismissive to the point of being ad-hominem, but it's also dismissive of people with the real deal, as if that's the way we expect them to behave.

Let me tell you how someone with depression would actually behave here. They would probably break down and give up the moment someone said anything negative to them, and would be much more unlikely to stand up for themselves as I have in this thread, because depression causes massive drops in self-esteem due to insecurities, insecurities that result from people like you and Herzog being pretentious snobs with your heads so far up your own arses you can probably pleasure your own colons.


Oh dear. This is so full of goodies that explain everything.

Ok buddy. Anything you say. You are right and we are all wrong. Have a nice day.




If you're deriving pleasure from something you see as a problem with me, then I hate to break it to you, but you've got bigger problems than me. But pray tell, what does my post explain to you? What is it that you've 'divined' from my words? That I used to have mental health problems? That's no secret, I actually did post about it in B4R in a post applauding the endeavour they put forward. And it's no secret I'm autistic, but some people seem to think that means ******** or somehow less than human, in some way. But the US is had two autistic presidents, and we wouldn't have Relativity Theory if it wasn't for an autistic genius.

I suppose you get the idea that 'autism' is a bad thing because so many people use 'autistic' as an insult. I know I do, because it's funny, but I also expect grown adults to be capable of developing a proper understanding of mental illness before deriding those that have one. If, however, it's my social skills you're jeering at, I assure you I have plenty of friends, people who are open-minded and prefer to get to know others as people before judging them. Those are people that matter.

Whether or not anyone else likes me is irrelevant, because they don't matter one little bit. Including you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104