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That you read everything other people write to you as "hurrduurr" might indicate you have some cognitive dysfunction.

Ofc this would explain the niveau of your responses as solely insulting and ignoring everyone that disagrees with you.

I only noticed one NPC corp that players can join on the list. What others besides DCM are getting mining fleets?

I feel like one of the two primary participants in the argument here is missing that root issue.

So I'll try again.

There is NOTHING wrong with how the NPC mining fleets react to those with low standings.

The problem is simply that one bloodline of one race can belong to the NPC corp of one of those mining fleets. This grants them a protection that doesn't exist for other players.

If a have a toon in DCM... why should he be ignored by pirates who don't want to hurt their standings with DCM so they get ganked by mining fleets when my toon in the SCOPE cannot? It's not like I get the CHOICE of what NPC corp my toon goes to. It's set by the bloodline.

Simple solution... no mining fleets for DCM. Keep them for non-player NPC corps. Problem solved, little effort to the devs.

That solution seems fairly difficult to implement. Changing the corp of NPC mining fleets seems fairly easy. Unless the CCP developers think much differently than I do when coding... probably best to go with the quick and easy solution.

@ramiel

You really need to learn to stop biting. While this thread is not a win for Salvos in regards to the topic at hand, it is a win for him in regards to trolling the **** out of you and forcing responses out of you.

It´s not new to anyone that people like him, post in that manner just to wind up people who oppose their opinion. We have all seen it from him and others who share his views over and over again. And sadly every time you bite and sadly even if I believe that it´s not your attention, I have the impression that you let this wind you up.

In the end it does not matter how much energy you invest, he will just keep responding in a way to wind you up. Just enjoy the game and hope that if anyone from CCP reads posts of those people are able to see through their patterns and constant contradictions. Everytime you reply to their nonsense you just motivate them to keep going as their goal simply is to trigger a respnose out of you. Even if it is hard to supress the urge to make comments against posts that are in favor of changes that ultimatly go against the nature of our beloved sandbox, it is essentially just a waste of time, they are not interested in a discussion anyway. So the best thing you can do is just state your opinion and observations and discuss them with people who actually are interested in a discussion and under no circumstances go down the route of insulting people, it just gives them ammunition to fire it back at you.

But then, there is no narrative...

I am gonna respond to this, but just this once.

You both acted like upset children, and your posts seem like trolling because you repeatedly kept getting stuck on things the thread was not about in the first place. Other posters did get what Ramiel was actually pointing out while you in fact misinterpreted it, or willingful do not want to see. On top of it your claim of objectivity in conjunction with stating your opinions and in fact using terms like "in my opinion" , "as I percieve it" directly contradict any claim of objectivity.

Add your constant repetitive attempts to trigger a response out of him by just repeating exactly the same over and over again, makes the impression of you just making an attempt at trolling.

Either way I have no intention of white knighting his behaviour, or the behaviour of any other people on the forums who way to often start insulting people and calling them names. And this is not just limited to him or the PvPer side, all parties way to often do that and then play the "but he started it" card, which is something that is usually used by little children.

No matter which side you are on, throwing arround insults and tantrums will never be helpful in order to have a civil discussion, no matter if you are right or not. It only ever leads to the fronts hardening.

edit: this also is the last response you will get out of me in that regard as it has as much to do with the topic itself as you two fighting with each other.

edit 2: On the topic itself, I am on Ramiel´s side on that one, but I would not get to annoyed with it. I would guess it was just an oversight from CCP´s side as it makes no sense to just have that "feature" for a single NPC corp which players can actually join. On top of it this would be a pretty significant change to player interaction itself and if it was intentional I would guess that this specific part would have been included in the dev blog. Once they are aware of that (which I hope they are now) this will hopefully get fixed.

Dear God, people. Get a grip.


...bunch of spergs.

Absolutely hilarious meltdown of an archetypal griefer, ripe with the bold lying the griefing community is proud of. But hey, it's not lying, it's "information warfare", or meta :^)

"I don't gank miners or explorers because they can't fight back, but because they might be spies, spying on gates and stations from an asteroid field or the hacking minigame interface!"
"I don't ever ever use alts! I have FRINEDS, who do my shopping for me! also I really enjoy risk (as is evident in my ganking of PvE-fit ships) so I don't ever use an alt to scout other sides of gates, or potential fields of engagements!"
"Trust me, I wouldn't ever lie, I'm a griefer!"

"PLAYERS have to generate the consequences! Never mind that I and others use the alt system as it was intendend, to shop in high-sec without any consequences for my main griefer char, which I keep afloat in isk with my NPC corped mission runners :^) Not my fault if people are baddies and cannot find out who my alts are, even though there's zero way for them to do it ^^ "




"Sand is against the sandbox idea when it infringes on my INALIENABLE RIGHT to grief people senselessly!"

Like pottery

Okay, after going back and reading the thread I see Remiel as having two issues with this change. I have quoted them below.


I agree with Remiel that the method of getting bad standings is a bit questionable. I’ve read Salvos’ view and I don’t entirely agree with it. If I do something dumb and suffer a loss, even a substantial loss, my corp mates will likely poke fun at me over it and have little to no interest in “avenging me”. Will they kill the person who imposed this loss on me if the opportunity presents itself? Sure, but not because of my earlier foolishness.

Similarly, if I am attacked by a DCM player and defeat him, losing standings with DCM seems out of place. Second of all it seems that if DCM is the only mining corporation that allows this it is indeed something of an advantage, admittedly a slight one, for those players. Preferential treatment in a game is not good. So, this should probably be addressed.

Simplest solution: everyone in DCM is moved to another NPC corp that does not have mining fleet. There Remiel’s first issue is solved and nobody gets preferential treatment.

As for Remiel’s second issue I get his argument. We don’t want the NPCs in game to be too interesting because…well…we want them to interact with other players. Yeah, that’s nice, but seems that not everyone wants to do that, and well it is as sandbox.

So here is my counter argument to Remiel. These new and better NPCs will keep some players engaged with the game…and those players are kind of like antelope—i.e. they are food for the predators. Let them be entertained by these new NPCs, but if they are doing this in LS or NS and I happen to be in local…good chance I’m hunting them. That is, whether they intended it or not…they will be my content.