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When NPCs become detrimental to PVP

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#321 - 2017-01-03 20:48:53 UTC
I am bit confused... DCM has several agents ranging from level 1 up in mining and security.

The lower your standing is with a corporation the higher your boost in standings when completing a mission for that group.

Standings can be shared with a fleet even if you are not in system whe the mission is turned in.

So why not solve this problem by paying a player to boost your DCM standing? Heck, what happens if you have high DCM standing and aggress a DCM member in a belt with a DCM NPC fleet present?

Seems like a huge fuss over nothing.

Oh... And your actions over years have consequences? Welcome to eve.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#322 - 2017-01-03 21:55:25 UTC
Torin Corax wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ok, Torin.

Your explored and explained your view, but I need an answer.

Considering your post above as read and recorded, what is your concluding answer?

Yay or nay?


I'm going to take another stab at this I'm afraid, in the hope that it will bring some understanding.

There is no way I can answer yes or no to your question while maintaining complete honesty. I have attempted to be open and honest about my stance on this subject, where that stance comes from, and why I hold it.


To illustrate exactly why I cannot answer yes or no honestly I will give two examples.

1) If you were to ask me whether I would support a change to missions that would include ( for example) mission rats changing damage types (within their racial weapons naturally) to counter a players native resists ( by racial ship type). Then in all likelihood I'd say yes. Missions may well benefit from being a little more involving and adaptive. I'd happily take a little longer on a mission if the mission itself was challenging and required I adapt to a fluid set of circumstance. Others may not like it, but I would.

2) (Extreme example). If CCP as part of a program to make NPC's more relevant and to give some substance to the lore behind them, decided that on date "x" all players, regardless of their desires, are to be automatically and irrevocably enrolled in faction warfare on the side represented by their characters race. Then I would answer no. (in fact my answer to that would quite likely involve the use of copious quantities of profanity). Not only would this impact very negatively on my game-play, but I would hazard a guess that quite a few people would be extremely upset...Just how many statues are there in New Eden out of curiosity?

Now these examples are at both ends of the scale, the relatively innocuous, and the utterly absurd (I hope). However, by the literal wording of your Yes/ no question both of these examples would qualify under the same answer.
I cannot answer yes to both, just as I cannot answer no to both. Whichever answer I gave would be at best a partial lie.

Now, if you feel that I have misinterpreted the question, then please elucidate on the exact meaning you were attempting to convey. The question as i read it was vague. It came across (whether it was your intent or not) as a deliberately loaded question, with no way for me to answer it honestly.

As far as the specific nature of the NPC interactions as laid out in the Op are concerned, I am still not in favor of them. The principle of interference in low sec PvP by NPC's is anathema to me. I honestly do not think this will encourage a greater degree of interaction between players. i do not feel that it will encourage people to enter low sec who would otherwise not of entered. I may be wrong of course, perhaps there are the odd few who will come to low sec specifically to see how this mechanic might be abused (this is the Eve player-base we're talking about). I would however guess that most of those players already frequent lowsec anyway.



In short it is a complex question to which demanding a yes/no answer is unreasonable.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#323 - 2017-01-03 22:00:46 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its in the pipeline that this will be applied to many more NPC corps, as well as Pirate corps (possibly differently).

Where is this coming from? Pirate corporations, yes; but where has CCP indicated any other Corps?


He means other NPC mining corps. There are 12 in total. But they are all mining corps.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#324 - 2017-01-03 22:02:12 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I've done my homework. You can't provide it because there is no evidence to support what you have wrongly claimed. Zero, zip, nada.

Just another full of crap statement that can't be backed up when asked simply where you got that information from.


As I said, I have the linked EVE Dev post from this thread which states the number of NPC Corps right infront of me.
I dont care whether you believe me or not.

You can either pay me, or look harder.

Id have given it to you for free had you not been such an insufferable **** about it.

You wouldn't have given it because you can't. Plain and simple. I only pushed because when I asked very simple you just diverted and went almost straight to pay you or do my own homewirk.

So since your fictional link doesn't exist and you have no evidence to support what you are claiming, I'll just go to Larrikin and ask him in order to get it straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

I dont really care one way or the other, I just like to know the facts so I can correctly answer other people in the future.

My original request back on the previous page was a genuine question because I thought that perhaps I missed something. But I didn't miss it. I've double checked all the links already; and unfortunately you are full of **** but have dug your heels in about it.


Don't worry he is really, really objective though.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#325 - 2017-01-03 22:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Goddamit, Tykari....

Anyways, see Scipio?
I wasnt lying or wrong.

You are wrong. There is no evidence to support your claim that it will be extended to other NPC Corps, aside from pirate corporations, which are already also partly implemented on SiSi now.

I provided that link originally, back on page 6, so I am very familiar with it.

But I'll see what Larrikin has to say anyway because I'd rather be in a position to be correct and helpful to others that ask the same thing in future, rather than make up stuff that isn't supported by anything CCP has said.

CCP have said they have bigger plans in relation to the new AI, including NPCs manufacturing ships in their own ship yards, but we have no additional details on who that will apply to or what other plans they have. They certainly haven't stated that mining fleets will be extended to include other empire based NPC Corps. I am fairly sure that if Larrikin responds, he won't rule it out, but at this point we certainly have nothing to go claiming that is CCP's plan.


12 NPC corps + Pirates.

The poster I was responding to was concerned it was only 1.
I said there are more in the pipeline.
You asked where that was said.
Well. as in that post, there are 12 NPC corps with this system on SiSi.


Actually all 12 NPC empire mining corps are in full swing. Last I checked most of the pirate factions were in full swing (edit: on Sisi). For all I know, all 19 could be in operation.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#326 - 2017-01-04 00:19:58 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
I am bit confused... DCM has several agents ranging from level 1 up in mining and security.

The lower your standing is with a corporation the higher your boost in standings when completing a mission for that group.

Standings can be shared with a fleet even if you are not in system whe the mission is turned in.

So why not solve this problem by paying a player to boost your DCM standing? Heck, what happens if you have high DCM standing and aggress a DCM member in a belt with a DCM NPC fleet present?

Seems like a huge fuss over nothing.

Oh... And your actions over years have consequences? Welcome to eve.


Expected better from you. I'm not repeating myself again, but you're missing the point.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#327 - 2017-01-04 00:35:21 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I'm not asking for no consequences, I'm asking for balanced ones. You really need to get that through your very thick skull, I have made that abundantly clear in no fewer than three posts on this thread so far, including the OP, and I'm getting very sick of repeating myself because people find reading too hard. But if you legitimately think there are no consequences for shooting at people already, then I'm afraid you just haven't shot at enough people.


Pray tell what consequences you speak of? being forced to use an alt for shopping?

omg the consequences :O

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#328 - 2017-01-04 00:39:18 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:

I'm not asking for no consequences, I'm asking for balanced ones. You really need to get that through your very thick skull, I have made that abundantly clear in no fewer than three posts on this thread so far, including the OP, and I'm getting very sick of repeating myself because people find reading too hard. But if you legitimately think there are no consequences for shooting at people already, then I'm afraid you just haven't shot at enough people.


Pray tell what consequences you speak of? being forced to use an alt for shopping?

omg the consequences :O



Go to low sec and find out. Learn something for a change instead of pretending you know everything.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#329 - 2017-01-04 02:25:45 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Go to low sec and find out. Learn something for a change instead of pretending you know everything.


Wow, if I go to lowsec in my positive sec status alt, while stealth scouting on my griefer char, I might bring everything I need from highsec.... such consequences :O

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#330 - 2017-01-04 02:36:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Go to low sec and find out. Learn something for a change instead of pretending you know everything.


Wow, if I go to lowsec in my positive sec status alt, while stealth scouting on my griefer char, I might bring everything I need from highsec.... such consequences :O


Low sec isn't meant to be like high sec. The PLAYERS are supposed to generate the consequences. And they do, often, but I know you don't understand this because you haven't set one foot in there, as is demonstrated by your lack of understanding of low sec and its consequences. Never mind that literally anything you go after could be a hotdrop, that the next gate you jump through could be instalocking smartbombing proteuses, or cloakies and recons could be sitting in any given sig or anom. Your problem here is you expect the game to generate the consequences. That's where we differ: I expect the PLAYERS to generate the consequences. But most players, such as yourself, are much too lazy for that kind of effort.

What I do in lowsec isn't griefing. I also only use one account, so my scouts, if any, are my friends. Do you know how to make friends? Judging by your attitude and your generally venomous posting prose, I'm going to guess no, no you don't. In any case, I will as readily shoot at ships that do shoot back as those that don't. While you cannot hold sov in lowsec, that doesn't mean you can't hold territory, and things like moons and POCOs still need defending. I don't go after miners because they're miners, I go after them because they're potential scouts/spies. Same with explorers (especially explorers), and same with ratters and PVP'ers with PVP ships. I know you really want to believe that I'm nothing but a 'filthy griefer' because it helps you 'other' me, make me seem less than you somehow, but your personal opinion of my choice of gameplay is, I assure you, completely irrelevant, especially given your demonstrable lack of understanding of EVE, and especially low security space.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#331 - 2017-01-04 04:36:11 UTC
This isn't about consequences, anyway, and this 'consequences' argument is a non-sequitur, because if the response fleets were intended for responding to attacks on players, then they would come when you attack players in that corp. They don't. Instead, they attack you for landing in the same belt as their mining ops as a result of losing standings to that corp because you've attacked or destroyed players in it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#332 - 2017-01-04 07:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Hisec and lowsec are space controlled by the Empires and there are still consequences in lowsec such as gate guns, and an impact on security status for shooting ships and pods, so there are consequences in lowsec, so I don't know why you continue to say that in low sec the PLAYERS provide the consequences and suggest it is only them. When you make statements like that which are wrong people will react to it.

People have agreed your point on DCM being the sole corp that has NPC mining fleets and players in it which creates an impact in terms of shooting players in that corp in terms of standing, yes understood that, personally I would just live with it and you have already stated that with a willingness to use it, fair does. The only difference between DCM and other corps with mining fleets is that due to you shooting people in DCM the mining fleet warps out and in comes a combat fleet if a DCM mining fleet is in the belt you are in. I have mined a certain amount recently and only once have I had an NPC mining fleet in the belt with me. The point is made but the risk is minimal, and this is just another consequence to deal with.

In terms of the splat about CCP's intent with this, they intend to develop a more dynamic NPC environment, something I am in favour of, this will affect hisec, lowsec and NPC null, if you want to be away from any NPC consequences you will have to operate in 0.0 sov. The Dev blog does state that they will be expanding this but does not say how, so this could mean developing it so all NPC player corps do this, but it may not, CCP though do have a tendency to leave things half done so to speak so it may well be that DCM will be the sole NPC corp that has this protection, and that is not a great issue imo.

Security standings and standings with corps define consequences and they have always been in the game, the only difference in this case is that when you shoot DCM players this will give you standings that result in the NPC's reacting against you in a more aggresive way that will impact your player against player only content. Up to this point you have not had a direct impact from this and when it happens I would be very interested to hear how it panned out, but it still seems fairly remote to me.

I don't think you have whined about it, I think however you have made a bigger fuss about it because you believe that it goes against pure player vs player content which you feel is what lowsec space is, I happen to disagree with you because lowsec is still Empire consequence impacted space.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Etain Darklightner Agittain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#333 - 2017-01-04 08:28:43 UTC


Low sec isn't meant to be like high sec. The PLAYERS are supposed to generate the consequences. And they do, often, but I know you don't understand this because you haven't set one foot in there, as is demonstrated by your lack of understanding of low sec and its consequences. Never mind that literally anything you go after could be a hotdrop, that the next gate you jump through could be instalocking smartbombing proteuses, or cloakies and recons could be sitting in any given sig or anom. Your problem here is you expect the game to generate the consequences. That's where we differ: I expect the PLAYERS to generate the consequences. But most players, such as yourself, are much too lazy for that kind of effort.

What I do in lowsec isn't griefing. I also only use one account, so my scouts, if any, are my friends. Do you know how to make friends? Judging by your attitude and your generally venomous posting prose, I'm going to guess no, no you don't. In any case, I will as readily shoot at ships that do shoot back as those that don't. While you cannot hold sov in lowsec, that doesn't mean you can't hold territory, and things like moons and POCOs still need defending. I don't go after miners because they're miners, I go after them because they're potential scouts/spies. Same with explorers (especially explorers), and same with ratters and PVP'ers with PVP ships. I know you really want to believe that I'm nothing but a 'filthy griefer' because it helps you 'other' me, make me seem less than you somehow, but your personal opinion of my choice of gameplay is, I assure you, completely irrelevant, especially given your demonstrable lack of understanding of EVE, and especially low security space.[/quote]

Remi, I'd hasten to remind you that you've a considerable amount of vitriol in your posts, sufficient to warrant the question of how it is you maintain any ability to make and keep friends. Going on the attack about reading comprehension.... tl:dr.

Restating the obvious thing we should be doing in lowsec, while informative as to your position, is unnecessarily redundent.

The consequences are obvious, pop a pc in an npc mining Corp, get shot back at. Ganking shouldn't be easy for anyone, or in this case, as you put it, killing spies and scouts in system shouldn't be easy. CCP doesn't look like they're going to change the mechanics of this so maybe bring your friends along for all to get their kill mails?

You attack people in their posts for reading comprehension as they respond to you, as if, you're better than they are somehow. You're not, you look dodgy at best putting people down instead of taking into consideration that maybe they might have something to offer you. I just see you as trolling.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2017-01-04 08:35:04 UTC
Etain Darklightner Agittain wrote:


Restating the obvious thing we should be doing in lowsec, while informative as to your position, is unnecessarily redundent.

The consequences are obvious, pop a pc in an npc mining Corp, get shot back at. Ganking shouldn't be easy for anyone, or in this case, as you put it, killing spies and scouts in system shouldn't be easy. CCP doesn't look like they're going to change the mechanics of this so maybe bring your friends along for all to get their kill mails?

You attack people in their posts for reading comprehension as they respond to you, as if, you're better than they are somehow. You're not, you look dodgy at best putting people down instead of taking into consideration that maybe they might have something to offer you. I just see you as trolling.


Sorry, but restating the same carebear crap that's already been argued against in this thread isn't a point. I suggest you try reading it. And if I'm vitriolic, it's because I'm getting sick and tired of the so far wilful ignorance that leads to posts like yours.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Diane Persis
#335 - 2017-01-04 08:38:12 UTC
Remiel, you're never going to win this "argument".

Not because you're mistaken, you are in fact 100% correct, but because you're dealing with people who a) have no clue on the subject or EVE itself, b) are unwilling or incapable of using basic logic and c) don't like EVE for the pvp sandbox that it is so any restriction in that regard they will applaud. Every time you finally deal with one of them some other uninformed alt that couldn't be bothered to actually read what the issue is about will pop up and start from scratch again. And then there's of course the few who will always stay uninformed but keep posting anyway.

Doesn't mean you should stop posting about it, just know that you're not alone so if you get that sinking feeling: "are these people really this stupid, why can't they understand" where you lose faith in humanity even more by every post you read. Some of us understand :)
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#336 - 2017-01-04 08:38:41 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Etain Darklightner Agittain wrote:


Restating the obvious thing we should be doing in lowsec, while informative as to your position, is unnecessarily redundent.

The consequences are obvious, pop a pc in an npc mining Corp, get shot back at. Ganking shouldn't be easy for anyone, or in this case, as you put it, killing spies and scouts in system shouldn't be easy. CCP doesn't look like they're going to change the mechanics of this so maybe bring your friends along for all to get their kill mails?

You attack people in their posts for reading comprehension as they respond to you, as if, you're better than they are somehow. You're not, you look dodgy at best putting people down instead of taking into consideration that maybe they might have something to offer you. I just see you as trolling.


Sorry, but restating the same carebear crap that's already been argued against in this thread isn't a point. I suggest you try reading it. And if I'm vitriolic, it's because I'm getting sick and tired of the so far wilful ignorance that leads to posts like yours.



You are displaying some salty vitriol there bro. Even I notice it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#337 - 2017-01-04 09:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Diane Persis wrote:
Remiel, you're never going to win this "argument".

Not because you're mistaken, you are in fact 100% correct, but because you're dealing with people who a) have no clue on the subject or EVE itself, b) are unwilling or incapable of using basic logic and c) don't like EVE for the pvp sandbox that it is so any restriction in that regard they will applaud. Every time you finally deal with one of them some other uninformed alt that couldn't be bothered to actually read what the issue is about will pop up and start from scratch again. And then there's of course the few who will always stay uninformed but keep posting anyway.

Doesn't mean you should stop posting about it, just know that you're not alone so if you get that sinking feeling: "are these people really this stupid, why can't they understand" where you lose faith in humanity even more by every post you read. Some of us understand :)


Talk about salty... , insulting and projecting and rampant hypocrisy all in one post, are you Teckos by any chance?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Etain Darklightner Agittain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#338 - 2017-01-04 09:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Etain Darklightner Agittain
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Restating the obvious thing we should be doing in lowsec, while informative as to your position, is unnecessarily redundent.

The consequences are obvious, pop a pc in an npc mining Corp, get shot back at. Ganking shouldn't be easy for anyone, or in this case, as you put it, killing spies and scouts in system shouldn't be easy. CCP doesn't look like they're going to change the mechanics of this so maybe bring your friends along for all to get their kill mails?

You attack people in their posts for reading comprehension as they respond to you, as if, you're better than they are somehow. You're not, you look dodgy at best putting people down instead of taking into consideration that maybe they might have something to offer you. I just see you as trolling.


Sorry, but restating the same carebear crap that's already been argued against in this thread isn't a point. I suggest you try reading it. And if I'm vitriolic, it's because I'm getting sick and tired of the so far wilful ignorance that leads to posts like yours.[/quote]


You're assuming I care bear. That's nice. I did, read it that is. No, you've not offered anything remotely enlightening in the situation other than post more vinegar in the thread it should be shut down. There nothing positive to be had by discussing anything with you. You're vitriolic because you're looking to be, not because of anything anyone has said.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#339 - 2017-01-04 09:29:44 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Etain Darklightner Agittain wrote:


Restating the obvious thing we should be doing in lowsec, while informative as to your position, is unnecessarily redundent.

The consequences are obvious, pop a pc in an npc mining Corp, get shot back at. Ganking shouldn't be easy for anyone, or in this case, as you put it, killing spies and scouts in system shouldn't be easy. CCP doesn't look like they're going to change the mechanics of this so maybe bring your friends along for all to get their kill mails?

You attack people in their posts for reading comprehension as they respond to you, as if, you're better than they are somehow. You're not, you look dodgy at best putting people down instead of taking into consideration that maybe they might have something to offer you. I just see you as trolling.


Sorry, but restating the same carebear crap that's already been argued against in this thread isn't a point. I suggest you try reading it. And if I'm vitriolic, it's because I'm getting sick and tired of the so far wilful ignorance that leads to posts like yours.



You are displaying some salty vitriol there bro. Even I notice it.


Neither you nor Dracvlad actually refute what was posted here by calling it "salty".

I already refuted it by pointing out that if NPC response fleets were the intended consequences for attacking other players, then they would come when you attacked other players. They don't. Instead, they attack by proxy only, as a consequence for losing standings with the corp, ONE corp with a mining fleet that players can be in as well. I've explained this multiple times, so if people are going to waste my time ignoring it, Etain, then yes, I'm going to treat them with the contempt they deserve, regardless of how you "see me" as a result, because who even the **** are you that I should give one seventeenth of a **** what you think about me?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Salvos Rhoska
#340 - 2017-01-04 09:51:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
This system emulates player corp behavior, insofar as an AI can.

-If you aggress their capsuleers or NPCs, they react, and your standing with them drops.
-If you are attacked by a capsuleer in that corp, as they are an extension of it, this represents the corp being hostile to you, and your standings drop.
-If your standings drop sufficiently, you will be attacked on sight.
-You can raise standings by performing actions which increase the NPC corps opinion of you.

All of these above are the result of player behavior, directly.
Your standing, is a direct result of your own behavior, and those of other players towards you.
The NPCs reaction to you, is a direct result of player behavior.

NPC corps are not infact "non-aggressive" entities anymore in this system.Arguably, they never have been, because though standings did not result in aggression, they did result in other penalties in relation to that corp. This has always been a latent potential in NPC corps, but only now is it blooming into fruition.

NPC Corps are also distinct from CONCORD, which has a completely different rule set and function.

Though NPC corps emulate player corps, they are NOT player corps. They cannot be wardecced for systemic reasons owing to the limitations of programming a truly aware autonomous AI. Players in an NPC corp are restricted to being "linemen", there is no possibility to own or lead the entity. This is reciprocated for, by the NPC corp being unwardeccable, and external relations instead being represented and facilitated by standings.

It is also a necessary function for maintaining NPC Corp holdings THROUGHOUT EVE. If NPC Corps where wardeccable, it would mean all NPC holdings throughout EVE would be targets for destruction. NPC holdings in HS/LS and NPC Null would be wiped out within a week.

As has been pointed out, LS is still Empire space, complicit with a systemic NPC environment, and limited rules of engagement.

If you want an environment in which there are no rules of engagement, you must move to NS or WHs. This is how it is. This differentiation is endemic to the system security classifications in this game.

The real impetus behind your posts, is to try and remove restrictions in LS (where convenient for you), to make it more like NS, for your own specific niche behavior of solo hunting in LS belts.