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Scanning signatures - am I doing it wrong?

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BigBoss Sanchez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-01-02 19:46:16 UTC
So there I was, fresh out of a few exploration missions and a couple of videos, ready to fill with the loot and treasures of the universe. I hopped into a 0.4 system, whipped out my probes and started hunting. 20 minutes later after dismissing the combat sites I'd found what turned out to be what I was looking for. Another half an hour later I couldn't get past 50% on the scanner. I'd zoomed right in on that tiny orange dot, making adjustments to the millimetre, before the dot changed its mind and decided to move places. It would keep going up to 50% then down to 20% and so on. I've already done the hold ctrl thing to pack the probes together more. I'm not sure if that helps or not, and my skills as an alpha are about as good as I can get them.... any tips?
Netan MalDoran
Cathedral.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2017-01-02 20:07:38 UTC
You should be able to scan down most lowsec sites, but there are some sites that are very hard to scan down and you may need better scanning skills (although i will note, I dont believe that those are the best sites anyways)

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Quincyy
Goosefleet
Gooseflock Featheration
#3 - 2017-01-02 21:05:25 UTC
Are you condensing your probes as you get closer? Also shrinking the AU's? [Minimum scan range for each probe is .25 AU, starts at 16 AU when you open the screen into it's default config]

Usually by the end for me, my eight probes are all ab out half inside of eachother, the focale point being the suggested spot for the scan location.

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BigBoss Sanchez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-01-02 21:12:16 UTC
Quincyy wrote:
Are you condensing your probes as you get closer? Also shrinking the AU's? [Minimum scan range for each probe is .25 AU, starts at 16 AU when you open the screen into it's default config]

Usually by the end for me, my eight probes are all ab out half inside of eachother, the focale point being the suggested spot for the scan location.


I've pretty much condensed them until there all scanning the same sphere. By the way condensing them is holding ctrl and dragging right?
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2017-01-02 21:18:35 UTC
There are modules, rigs, implants and faction gear ( of which the SoE probes are somewhat affordable ) That all can help you with scanning.

What ship are you using? What is your fit? Where are your skills at?

I believe that at 50% you should at least know what kind of signature you are trying to pinpoint IIRC. If so what was it because I suspect that it might be a C6 wormhole.

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BigBoss Sanchez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-01-02 21:27:24 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
There are modules, rigs, implants and faction gear ( of which the SoE probes are somewhat affordable ) That all can help you with scanning.

What ship are you using? What is your fit? Where are your skills at?

I believe that at 50% you should at least know what kind of signature you are trying to pinpoint IIRC. If so what was it because I suspect that it might be a C6 wormhole.


I'm ashamed to say that I was just using a bantam and the scanner probes I got for free from the exploration mission. I didn't want to risk too much on my first ever trek. But about the signature I was told it was a data site

Grigg Skjellerup
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2017-01-02 21:36:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Grigg Skjellerup
BigBoss Sanchez wrote:

I've pretty much condensed them until there all scanning the same sphere. By the way condensing them is holding ctrl and dragging right?


No. That condenses the formation. You do not want to do that unless you're at 85%+ at minimum radius.

Having them all scan the same sphere will get you nowhere. Think of a featureless football field, with 4 people trying to find the ball. If one person stands in each corner, they can all point at the ball, you get 4 lines, and the ball is where those lines meet. Have all 4 people stand in the centre of the field together, and you get 4 of the same lines, and all you know if the ball is somewhere along that line. Same deal for probes, you want them on all sides of the anomaly, not all standing together on the same side.

To change the radius of all 8, mouse over the edge of one of the blue spheres (you'll see it highlight), and then drag it smaller. That'll change all 8.

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I'm ashamed to say that I was just using a bantam and the scanner probes I got for free from the exploration mission. I didn't want to risk too much on my first ever trek. But about the signature I was told it was a data site


Nothing wrong with that. But use a Heron. Open the info on the two ships and look at the traits. That'll tell you why you want Heron, not Bantam. You can scan down almost every available site in a 1 million isk Heron with Alpha skills.
Oraac Ensor
#8 - 2017-01-02 23:45:04 UTC
Grigg Skjellerup wrote:
To change the radius of all 8, mouse over the edge of one of the blue spheres (you'll see it highlight), and then drag it smaller. That'll change all 8.

Or use keyboard shortcuts.

I use Page Up to increase, Page Down to decrease.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#9 - 2017-01-03 00:57:39 UTC
Setting scan to a mouse key on a multi-key mouse is smex.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2017-01-03 03:21:16 UTC
BigBoss Sanchez wrote:


I'm ashamed to say that I was just using a bantam and the scanner probes I got for free from the exploration mission. I didn't want to risk too much on my first ever trek. But about the signature I was told it was a data site


Nothing to be ashamed of. With low skills you are going to need everything that you can get.

Fly a Heron for exploring for now. You are going to want to only scan in a ship with a scanning bonus until your scanning skills are very high. As long as you are alpha you are going to want to use the Heron.

So for scanning you'll want to get your racial frigate skill up as well as getting your scanning skills as high as they will let you go on an alpha.

If you are still having issues then start looking for your cheapest options for increasing probe strength or scan deviation. Scan time is nice to have but it only makes things go faster. It won't help when you have a site that you can't get to 100%

Items that will help you:
- SoE probes are 10% stronger
- Gravity Capacitor I gives you +10% scan strength
-The AR-802 implant only gives you +2%. They have 6% and 10% version but they are expensive.

I gave some bad advice on my last post. It appears that the modules for boosting scan strength and deviation appear to require Omega skills.

So let's just say that you have Caldari Frigate at level 3 currently. That would be 22.5% increase in scan strength just from using the right ship. Add some SoE probes and a Gravity Capacitor and you are now up to 42.5% higher scan strength. That should make a huge difference.



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Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2017-01-03 03:29:06 UTC
Grigg Skjellerup wrote:
But use a Heron. Open the info on the two ships and look at the traits. That'll tell you why you want Heron, not Bantam. You can scan down almost every available site in a 1 million isk Heron with Alpha skills.


Use the bonused ship as he says.

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BigBoss Sanchez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2017-01-03 07:01:54 UTC
Ok thanks for the replies. I'll try again later.
Dupard Lemmont
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2017-01-03 08:45:05 UTC
A little off topic:

Beware in lowsec if you are low on ISK. I would recommend earning money in highsec in the beginning until you can afford to lose the ship.
People will not hesitate to blow you up in lowsec.

If there are other players in the local chat, you are in grave danger.
Consider everyone a pirate - until proven otherwise.

I have seen many players scan down exploration sites in advance. And then they sit and wait. When you come in they can see both you and your probes on d-scan. Then, they warp in while you are busy hacking, attacking you and locking you down with a warp disruptor or warp scrambler.

Often they might sit at the site in a cloaked ship, just waiting for some unlucky explorer to come by. So they can loot his wreck.

A little more on topic:

Switching to a Heron as several has written, you will probably get those sites scanned down.

Caldari Frigate bonuses (per skill level):
7.5% bonus to Core and Combat Scanner Probe strength

- So getting the skill Caldari Frigate to level 5 will yield 37,5% increased probe strenght. Which helps ALOT.

Also you must always use 8 probes, and they should be launched in pinpoint formation to get the best scan results.

Good luck and fly safe!
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Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2017-01-03 15:22:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Trant
As people have said, use the racial scan T1 frigate, which is the Heron for Caldari. The next best bang for your buck is 2 x Gavity Capacitor Upgrade I rigs. They are dirt cheap at about 50K each and are almost 'must haves' for exploration. Other upgrades start costing serious Isk and can be left for when you have more money.

Some of the advice above doesn't add up to me and I consider myself a good prober, but I set my system up a while ago and all my patterns are now saved under the custom pattern drop down. I believe it is the ALT key not the CTRL key that does the magic, but I'm not in game at the moment to check. Here is how I remember doing it.

When you open up the scanning window there are 3 scan pattern buttons which are set by default to the following:

1. Close scan pattern, set to 4.0 AU, with the scan balls overlapping.
2. Wide System scan pattern, set to 16.0 AU, with the scan balls barely touching one another
3. Custom scan pattern, empty.

I rarely use 2. Nearly all my patterns are based on 1. just at different distances.

. Launch probes and click button 1. to get the Close scan pattern shape, with all the balls overlapping. Zoom in on the main screen as necessary.
. Highlight all 8 probes in the top of the scan window (drag the windows height to see them all at the same time).
. Right click on one of the probes in the scan window (while all 8 probes are still selected) and select scan range, setting it to say 8.0 AU. This causes the scan balls to expand, but doesn't reposition the probes.
. Zoom out a bit and then hold ALT down (this causes the single probe icon on the main screen to become 8 seperate icons), then while holding ALT down, drag one of the probe icons on the main screen, this moves all 8 probes in or out while maintaining the pattern. I aim to end up with the same percentage of overlap as the original 4.0 AU pattern, so I drag it outwards to achieve this. Then save it under the custom pattern drop down as "8.0"
. I rinse and repeat for 64.0, 32.0, 16.0, 2.0, 1.0, 0.5 and 0.25 (note you need to use different probes (Combat and Core) to get both 64.0 and 0.25 as one is missing from each set.
. I also copy the 2. Wide scan pattern for 32.0 range using the same method, naming it "32.0 (W)".

So when I'm scanning for exploration sites and first jump into a system, I typically start with the 8.0 pattern placed over a cosmic signature ball (which is typically 4 or 5 AU wide), hit scan, get one red dot. Reposition the group by simply dragging on the probe icon on the main screen, until the red dot is in the centre again. Change to the 2.0 saved pattern and rescan (missing out 4.0), rinse and repeat with the 0.5 saved pattern if necessary and usually I get the full resolution on the 2nd or 3rd scan. That is with pretty perfect scan skills and sisters launcher / probes. Initially you may need to use the intermediate ranges too (4.0 and 1.0).

Note: Double clicking on the probe icon on the main screen will centre the screen around your probe cluster - for cases when swinging from the X-Y axis to the Z-Y axis causes the whole block of scan probes to rotate out of the screen. Annoyed me to hell before I found out about this feature.

If you get multiple red dots from multiple signatures, click on a signature text row in the scan window and scroll up and down until you see a signature in the main window with only a single red dot before moving to the next scan range. Because a signature that only got three (of eight) probe hits will appears as two red dots and you can really confuse yourself if you chase a random dot, when it isn't the only dot for that signature.

After you have scanned out a signature and bookmarked it. Right click on that signature text row in the scan window and click "Ignore this signature"
BigBoss Sanchez
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2017-01-03 19:59:13 UTC
Dupard Lemmont wrote:
A little off topic:

Beware in lowsec if you are low on ISK. I would recommend earning money in highsec in the beginning until you can afford to lose the ship.
People will not hesitate to blow you up in lowsec.

If there are other players in the local chat, you are in grave danger.
Consider everyone a pirate - until proven otherwise.

I have seen many players scan down exploration sites in advance. And then they sit and wait. When you come in they can see both you and your probes on d-scan. Then, they warp in while you are busy hacking, attacking you and locking you down with a warp disruptor or warp scrambler.

Often they might sit at the site in a cloaked ship, just waiting for some unlucky explorer to come by. So they can loot his wreck.


o7


That's kinda why I'm flying cheap to kinda test out the dangers of these sites. I'm on about 3 million ISK so I think I can afford a well equipped heron, but with the pirate thing I don't want to risk it.

Also unrelated but I've seen a few o7s around, what do they mean? (I'm new to these forums)
Dupard Lemmont
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2017-01-04 06:19:19 UTC
BigBoss Sanchez wrote:
Dupard Lemmont wrote:
A little off topic:

Beware in lowsec if you are low on ISK. I would recommend earning money in highsec in the beginning until you can afford to lose the ship.
People will not hesitate to blow you up in lowsec.

If there are other players in the local chat, you are in grave danger.
Consider everyone a pirate - until proven otherwise.

I have seen many players scan down exploration sites in advance. And then they sit and wait. When you come in they can see both you and your probes on d-scan. Then, they warp in while you are busy hacking, attacking you and locking you down with a warp disruptor or warp scrambler.

Often they might sit at the site in a cloaked ship, just waiting for some unlucky explorer to come by. So they can loot his wreck.


o7


That's kinda why I'm flying cheap to kinda test out the dangers of these sites. I'm on about 3 million ISK so I think I can afford a well equipped heron, but with the pirate thing I don't want to risk it.

Also unrelated but I've seen a few o7s around, what do they mean? (I'm new to these forums)


Good luck. Set up safespots when scanning:
- First off you warp somewhere far away.
- When you're halfway there: Bookmark the spot under people and places.
- When you land at your destination, warp back to your bookmark.
- There you can probe scan in peace.
- People with combat scanner probes can still scan you down and warp to you, but I very rarely see them in use in ganking situations. Also people probably wont bother the effort for killing a cheap ship, but you can never say never in EVE.
- When you are hacking, be ready to warp out to the bookmark if another player lands on your overview. Always keep an eye on the overview.
- You should also set up a D-scan filter to only show player ships, and constantly check 5 AU scan. If you see a ship on 5 AU scan that could mean a ship is landing with you in less than 2-3 seconds so warp to your bookmark.
- Also I can recommend fitting 2 Warp Core Stabilizer in the low slots. I always use them when hacking in lowsec or nullsec. 1 of these modules makes you immune to 1 warp disruptor (20-25km range). 2 of these modules makes you immune to 1 warp scrambler (8-9km range) or 2 warp disruptors. It will also help you get through some gatecamps with insta-locking ships. You might take some damage, even get killed if you're slow. But the chance of getting warp disrupted and unable to warp away is much smaller. Beware however: These modules will not let you warp out of a warp bubble which can be frequently found in nullsec - but never in lowsec as bubbles cant be launched in lowsec.

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Aaeriele
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#17 - 2017-01-04 07:45:46 UTC
If you're having trouble understanding how to get better strength from scanning, I recommend giving this a read:

https://www.thealphasguide.com/reference/scanning/