EVE General Discussion

It's possible to run SOME l4 missions with either a caracal or even a vexor.

this is far from true.
a gallente toon, in a vexor (with maxed out the alpha-possible drone skills), shield tanking at 40km+, can do most l3 easily

I'm having no problems in L3s in my Gnosis. I am now getting 465dps, that includes 65 from 4 drones. I'm training now for that 5th drone. I am glad I am Gallente.

For my L4 agent, I have a standing of 4.3. I need a standing of 5 to run missions. I haven't been running may L3 missions lately because of the holidays. Even though I went Omega, I'm only training my skills to Alpha levels. In think I have about 7 more days of training, a couple of more drone skills, and I should be good. All the relevant skills will be at the max Alpha levels. Right now I'm at 1.958,959 sp.

I know many L4s may be doable, and I also know I may just be overwhelmed in others. I should tell my corpmates to go fly the Gnosis in L4s, using my fit, and we'll see how good you do first. Hmmm, sounds like an idea.

-Cassy

Ahem . . .(clearing throat)

Well, I thought it would be a good idea. Had a friend take a Gnosis into a L4 with a fit that would be similar to mine. They have almost perfect gunnery and drone skills, putting out a total of 612dps.

First L4 mission up - Enemies Abound Part 1 . . . it wasn't very pretty to start for them. Destroyed two cruisers, and was in armor in one minute, and warped back to base, repaired armor. (should have stayed docked up) Ok, back out she goes. Everything's running, and everyone's firing. Take down one cruiser and one frigate, and back into armor again, but this time there are 3 frigates scramming . . . into hull, with one frigate to go, should have had a mwd, as the ab only gave some hope . . . the shield booster was barely holding, last frigate pops, as she started to warp to base . . . pop!

So, L4's in that Gnosis, for that mission. No way! Mine would never be that strong as an Alpha. And I'm now not going to worry about getting any easy L4s, when I can do lots of L3s and make more.

-Cassy

(Sorry Jaz, I thought you could do it . . . and I think that was your first loss.)

Well, you technically asked about a level 4 mission, so yes, there are Alpha chars who have ran level 4 distribution missions already (and they could run most level 4 mining missions, except the ones with ice). I have to agree with the rest of the thread in terms of security missions, though: doable, yes, but not efficient.

Level 3's will probably be the big "bread winners" as far as security missions go. They shouldn't be terribly difficult with the Gnosis or in a Navy cruiser, either, but they'll be a bit slower to run than they are for Omega chars.

And perhaps more fun.

Be sure to dump your 1 unit of tritanium and fit a cargo expander. You'll fit more loot that way.

I had an account with solid drone skills turn alpha to see if it would be viable and the dips dropped to around 200 in a vexor with medium drones and rigged for dips... i ran level 3 missions with no problems, but couldn't stand grinding for 10 minutes on one battleship, so I bailed on the level 4 mission I got....r-drone, I think.

Level 3 misssions are cake walk for a maxed alpha, since 200dps is more than enough.

Ok, specifics. The talos (no tank besides the MWD, plus I learned to consider void ammo a tank in the process) did AE4, not sure about the bonus room. The algos, I don't recall which missions I did with it. The ishkur, which had pretty much the same fitting as the algos (complex AB, T2 guns, T2 drones, T2 magstabs) I think the hardest was WC4, and it's always been my boat to help out rookie corp mates when they use a different mission hub. I didn't spend enough time in the Algos to recall specifically which lvl 4's I did, but I lost around 5 Ishkurs in COSMOS lvl 4's (which had ship size gate restrictions that wouldn't allow battleships and continuously respawning NPCs) before I figured out how to do it, and to be patient while doing it.

The point isn't to brag. This is a stupid forum alt, I have no reputation to build with it. I'd probably just embarrass myself if I tried it again, now. The point is that people who suck at things claim hard things are impossible. But PVE is extremely predictable, and when a thing can be predicted, it can be countered. As I said in an earlier post, I really doubt an alpha will have the DPS to break the tank of a NPC battleship without void ammo and T2 drones. So, solo, a single alpha probably wouldn't be able to do lvl 4's. 2 or 3 should be able to though. I'd love to get a few people in RR cruisers and run a fleet of 10 alphas in lvl 4's, I think it'd be a blast. Also as I've said, it probably wouldn't be worth it in isk/hour, but it would be fun.

Geez, that for that incite! We had no idea. If we had known that we wouldn't have tried. Thank you. Thank you for that information!

Not!

They're talking about an Alpha doing L4s, not buddied up or in a gang. (If you're in a gang in a L4, what's the point?)

FYI, it was I who fitted a Gnosis for Casanda's level. I know very well how hard "Enemies Abound" would be in a gimped Gnosis. I have run that mission many, many times over the years. (not in a Gnosis of course.) It would be very hard, but for an experiment, I gave it a try. Took one for the team. I can't think of anyway that Gnosis could have done that mission now.
Also, if you're not up on it, I'm the one who beat Stoic's Mach with a Tengu, so my skills are almost perfect.

"Gnosis can handle L4s just fine." No, only the easy ones, but if you say so, you take a Gnosis into "Enemies About" and see how you fare. Hey, either put up or shut up!

-Jaz