EVE New Citizens Q&A

CCP agrees that there is a problem that must be fixed (as seen from their unsuccessful intervention in December). So spare me this talk about wanting rolls royces, having a bad attitude, etc. This is hurting armor tanked frigate pvp. There is no reason why certain fits should be at such a disadvantage.

It's not just "Supply and Demand".

Input costs influence the supply side of that equation. So does the possibility of "Economic Rents" due to limited access to key inputs (notably BPs).

CCP sets the raw material requirements and the BP cost (or drop rate for some categories of BP ) for stuff like this - both obviously influence price via supply. Clearly CCP could influence the final price by changing these.

If they've made a genuine mistake they have no obligation to correct it, or even to share their insight - but then they deserve questions like the OP's. Of course if they see a mistake they want to correct they have a "legacy problem" - an overnight change that affected price would affect the value of existing inventory. Perhaps their answer to questions like this will always be "it's too much hassle to deal with it".

CCP's last alteration increased the drop rate, so they've actually taken steps to make the module more accessible already.

"CCP doesn't set the prices."

That completely fails to understand basic economics. CCP has 100% control over supply, and it's supply vs demand that determines price. If CCP wanted to, they could put the BP in the rookie ship package. They choose not to. CCP 100% determines the prices of everything, they just have to do so indirectly, and can't control (though they can influence) how quickly the market responds.

Whether or not the price should come down, I'm not going to take a position, but the nonsense gibberish about how CCP somehow doesn't have access to their own game's economy needs to stop.

I don't see how you can say that "CCP agrees that there is a problem" just because they increased the DR. For all that you know that could have been an experiment to see what happened to use and pricing before making another move.

When CCP introduced these modules a few years back they intentionally made them BPCs that drop instead of BPOs that you buy off of the market like everything else. One of the stated reasons was so that they could control supply and use that as a balancing factor.

So I don't see how them following the original plan and using drop rates as a balancing factor is them admitting there is a problem. If anything that would indicate everything is working well.

The module must be very very powerful or you would not want it so much. So if the module is more powerful and more expensive that is not disadvantaging the fit. That is bringing balance to the situation.

I could make the same argument about officer mods and that they are too high in price and CCP must do something about the DR to make prices "reasonable" so that it doesn't hurt PvP. My argument would be no more valid than yours.

So yes you do have a "bad attitude" in the sense that it is one that does not work well in this game or more to the point flies in the face of very core concepts of this game and therefore is a poor choice of frame to come from.

I have no experience with the SAAR personally but from the sounds of the whinning about their price, to me, it sounds like you most certainly are looking for faction module power at standard T1 module pricing, or to fit the context here Rolls Royce performance at Chevy pricing.

Just as a note to how CCP typically acts:
I am fairly certain that the office coffee maker at CCP HQ uses player tears to brew their morning get-up-and-go. CCP loves the tears of whinny, self entitled cry babies. So I say cry more, the if the devs read it they are likely to nerf the crap out of the SAARs like I stated in a previous post.

Never went out to look for these but I do know that some BPC are more likely to drop from a specific NPC race. Moving around and trying your luck in all four major factions space would be a wise thing to do in this case.

Drop rates are often misinterpreted or outright misunderstood. As an example if an item has a drop rate of 1 in 50 that does not mean that you will get one for every 50 items that you find. As an example a corp mate has been running Sanshas sites recently and has had several armor reps drop, I have been running Sanshas sites in the same area for more than a year and never had an armor rep drop.

There seems to be quite the supply of these as well, at the time I write this and using EvE Central as the source there are more than 700 of them for sale at Jita 4/4 Assembly Plant station alone and likely there are more than 1,500 of them available in the markets of EvE as a whole. Yes I counted Jita and stopped at 700, the rest of EvE I am guessing at base on the numbers listed. So it is obvious that supply has very little to do with the price of this specific module, could it be that those who are selling them understand their worth to those of you who frigate PvP and are simply profiting from your wants / needs?

The number of SAARs traded per day in The Forge alone is about 1600. So this is very little supply! It could be a sign that something isn't quite right.

The vehemence with which some posters smear me for inquiring into this price anomaly is also unusual. The EVE community is normally friendly.

1600 per day isn't very little supply unless the sell orders are empty. If there are more than enough sell orders to handle the daily throughput, then supply exceeds demand.

Trust me, you aren't being smeared with anything approaching vehemence. We are being nice because this is NQ&A. Post this thread in General Discussion and we'll tell you what we really think.

First of all, you didn't inquire into this price anomaly. The op title is a call for change. The body of the op does not make a rational pro vs. con argument. It just points out a disparity. There is nothing in the language of the op in the nature of an inquiry.

Because you don't seem to understand what an inquiry is, I'll make an example:



This is an inquiry.

What you posted is a whine.

Given the content of the OP, this thread should be in F&I, not NCQ&A.

The reason why there is a such a difference between the SAAR and SASB is that Shield modules tend to be fitted one size up for the ship. So a well fit shield tanked Frigate typically fits a MASB, Medium Shield Extender or Medium Shield Booster. The small versions of these modules are absolutely useless. This is a result of the fitting requirements of the relevant modules and possibly where CCP went wrong.

So a better comparison would be the SAAR against the MASB, the latter is about 1.5M in Jita, but can be cheaper elsewhere. Still a bit of a difference, but not as extreme and reflects the fact that Active Armor tanked frigates are more common than Active Shield tanked frigates.

If CCP need to fix anything, they should revamp their shield lineup to give the small modules the stats of the mediums, mediums the stats of the large, and the large better stats (with higher fitting costs of course). Because at the moment, you have Shield Frigates with mediums mods, Shield Cruiser/BCs with large mods and Shield BS just don't have a decent local shield option.