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Dear CCP, could you do something about the small ancillary rep prices?
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Gravitas Deficit
Doomheim
#1 - 2017-01-01 16:34:53 UTC
At 6-7 mil, they can easily make up half the cost of a well fitted T1 frigate. A small ancillary shield booster costs 34k.
Seer Profitus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2017-01-01 16:55:39 UTC
If you can't afford it, then don't buy it.

May the market bless you and keep you;

May the market make its opportunities shine upon you and be profitable to you;

May the market lift up its margins upon you and grant you ISK.
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#3 - 2017-01-01 17:02:34 UTC
CCP already increased the droprate of the blueprint. It takes time for the new stock to replace the old one. Also, as long as you are willing to pay, there's no reason to lower the price.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2017-01-01 19:10:31 UTC
Player driven economy; very little on the market is not player made.

If people are willing to pay what you see as an inflated price for an item, why should the sellers drop their prices?

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Gravitas Deficit
Doomheim
#5 - 2017-01-01 19:56:37 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Player driven economy; very little on the market is not player made.

If people are willing to pay what you see as an inflated price for an item, why should the sellers drop their prices?


What is the justification for armor tanked T1 frigates costing twice as much as shield tanked ones?
Memphis Baas
#6 - 2017-01-01 20:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
Supply and demand is the justification.

Everybody rushes to do the high end profitable data and relic sites, and nobody bothers with the low ends that drop the BPC's that are the only ways to manufacture the things.

Thus there's no supply.

CCP has done something about it, too; they increased the drop rate, and supposedly the deluge of new Alphas should have taken care of it. Not their fault that everyone sent the Alphas into the Horde instead of trying to get them to do exploration sites.

What's YOUR justification for whining instead of doing something about it, like collecting BPCs and manufacturing the things?
Gravitas Deficit
Doomheim
#7 - 2017-01-01 20:11:59 UTC
A bit of searching revealed that the drop rates for the BPC were increased on December 13. So far this appears to have had no effect whatsover as average prices in Jita have increased from about 5m to 5.5m.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#8 - 2017-01-01 20:47:11 UTC
Gravitas Deficit wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Player driven economy; very little on the market is not player made.

If people are willing to pay what you see as an inflated price for an item, why should the sellers drop their prices?


What is the justification for armor tanked T1 frigates costing twice as much as shield tanked ones?
People are willing to pay more for armour tanking modules than they are shield tanking modules, taking advantage of that is the only justification needed.


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Quincyy
Goosefleet
Gooseflock Featheration
#9 - 2017-01-01 22:21:24 UTC
My answer to everyone that says something is too expensive;

Build it yourself.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#10 - 2017-01-02 02:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Gravitas Deficit wrote:
At 6-7 mil, they can easily make up half the cost of a well fitted T1 frigate. A small ancillary shield booster costs 34k.


CCP doesn't set prices. If a module is so strong that everyone automatically adds it to their fit, then CCP will probably nerf it, and prices will fall, but they don't do this to change the prices. They are worried about game balance.

6-7m is chump change for a module. If you can't afford it now, just work on your income generation and eventually you will afford them.

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A bit of searching revealed that the drop rates for the BPC were increased on December 13. So far this appears to have had no effect whatsover as average prices in Jita have increased from about 5m to 5.5m.


More people = more demand, prices rise even though they seeded BPC, apparently not many alphas are making them.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2017-01-02 03:45:41 UTC
Gravitas Deficit wrote:


What is the justification for armor tanked T1 frigates costing twice as much as shield tanked ones?

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2017-01-02 03:50:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ergherhdfgh
Gravitas Deficit wrote:
A bit of searching revealed that the drop rates for the BPC were increased on December 13. So far this appears to have had no effect whatsover as average prices in Jita have increased from about 5m to 5.5m.

Maybe they would have been over 10 Million if CCP had not increased the DR.

It is Christmas time and lots of kids home from school for the holidays. Also lots of employed folks with more time off. Drop rates are not the only thing affecting price.

Edit:
A smart player would see an opportunity to make isk here not an opportunity to whine.

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Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#13 - 2017-01-02 05:45:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vortexo VonBrenner
Armour-tanked ships frees up midslots for exploration modules. Hence...more demand = higher prices. There ya are. Player-driven economy in EvE, not market prices set by CCP.


edit: Yes, you could build those and sell them for a profit, you know... Ferengi time!

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Seer Profitus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2017-01-02 06:00:31 UTC
Gravitas Deficit wrote:
At 6-7 mil, they can easily make up half the cost of a well fitted T1 frigate. A small ancillary shield booster costs 34k.


Maybe you can get some BPCs, manufacture them, and sell them for 34k ISK.

May the market bless you and keep you;

May the market make its opportunities shine upon you and be profitable to you;

May the market lift up its margins upon you and grant you ISK.
Loreen Parker
Doomheim
#15 - 2017-01-02 09:56:59 UTC
I make all my isk exploring and found not one last year!

In fact, a year ago when the price skyrocketed, i was going through my stuff and discovered that i only found two 60x BPCs ever.

After they anounced a higher droprate i also did more data sites.

If i remember correctly one of the two BPC i found i got from a drone in drone space.

So where am i supposed to find them?
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#16 - 2017-01-02 10:23:45 UTC
Loreen Parker wrote:


So where am i supposed to find them?



I found most of my supply years ago, back when I was still exploring in high sec. That may have changed over time, but after the hacking changes a couple of years back (no more rats) most explorers now rush straight to low/null/WH it seems as the rewards there are better. This may explain the lack of supply.
Loreen Parker
Doomheim
#17 - 2017-01-02 11:02:02 UTC
Trevor Dalech wrote:
Loreen Parker wrote:


So where am i supposed to find them?



I found most of my supply years ago, back when I was still exploring in high sec. That may have changed over time, but after the hacking changes a couple of years back (no more rats) most explorers now rush straight to low/null/WH it seems as the rewards there are better. This may explain the lack of supply.


But it would not explain why only the small AAR is affected.

Im sure that some major market manipulation is going on.


But whatever the reason is, it hurts T1 frig pvp and ccp should do something about it.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#18 - 2017-01-02 11:27:22 UTC
Loreen Parker wrote:
Trevor Dalech wrote:
Loreen Parker wrote:


So where am i supposed to find them?



I found most of my supply years ago, back when I was still exploring in high sec. That may have changed over time, but after the hacking changes a couple of years back (no more rats) most explorers now rush straight to low/null/WH it seems as the rewards there are better. This may explain the lack of supply.


But it would not explain why only the small AAR is affected.

Im sure that some major market manipulation is going on.


But whatever the reason is, it hurts T1 frig pvp and ccp should do something about it.
CCP tend to leave the market and prices well alone, while they may tweak things like drop rates and material costs they leave the prices up to us.

Interfering in the market sets a precedent, if they do it for one item they'll be inundated with people demanding that it's done to serve their interests too.

TL;DR CCP are extremely unlikely to directly interfere with the price of any modules.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#19 - 2017-01-02 11:29:53 UTC
Loreen Parker wrote:
Trevor Dalech wrote:
Loreen Parker wrote:


So where am i supposed to find them?



I found most of my supply years ago, back when I was still exploring in high sec. That may have changed over time, but after the hacking changes a couple of years back (no more rats) most explorers now rush straight to low/null/WH it seems as the rewards there are better. This may explain the lack of supply.


But it would not explain why only the small AAR is affected.

Im sure that some major market manipulation is going on.


But whatever the reason is, it hurts T1 frig pvp and ccp should do something about it.



Urm, no.

EVE is about player action not crying to devs and having the Devs fix your problem. Yes market manipulation happens, although usually for higher value items, because market manipulation only works for a short time. If someone were to come in and buy all the SAAR off the market and resell them for 100m each, it would work, for a few days maybe, then traders and industry that monitor the market would suddenly start cranking out SAAR and flooding the market until the prices fall again.

Seriously, if you intend to play eve, then you need to drop the attitude that CCP needs to fix your problems. Eve is a game for problem solvers. If you see a problem, the concept of finding your own solution should excite you. Because that is what Eve is about.

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Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#20 - 2017-01-02 12:56:15 UTC
Gravitas Deficit wrote:
At 6-7 mil, they can easily make up half the cost of a well fitted T1 frigate. A small ancillary shield booster costs 34k.


The price of the module is dictated by supply and demand and CCP does not set the prices. I'd suggest that for an economical fitting that you do not fit ancilliary armour repair. Stick to the capacitor driven modules. I would recommend Small Accommodation Vestment Reconstructor I, or Small Armour Repair II if you have the skills.

Ancilliary repair uses a nanopaste charge, so you are consuming charges with every single repair cycle. They are really meant for high end PvP, and dual rep fittings. So unless you want the Rolls Royce PvP frigate I'd suggest you use something cheaper and more economical to replace.
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