EVE New Citizens Q&A

Why do you care? It is not your wallet.

The permit is a contract and comes with terms and conditions attached to it, most of which are a matter of common sense; things like don't afk in a PvP game.

Failure to follow the terms and conditions invalidates the permit, because it dishonours the contract with CODE. That's your problem, not theirs.

Try not following terms and conditions attached to any real life agreements/contracts that you've agreed to; see what happens.

Who is to blame if a permit holder decides not to follow the terms and conditions attached to it and gets ganked because of their failure to do so?

Edit: Wrong sub forum, C&P or GD are the place for this topic.

Remember when James sent out loads of evemails to CEO's telling them to boot people from their Corps for insulting CODE. Or they would go to war?

We tried quite hard to get one, never materialized.

I enclose exhibit A) https://youtu.be/5pPQaYa9d68?t=6m30s

It isn't just me saying this. Now while you might claim that there are rules, terms, and conditions. The breaking of which might nullify the "mining permit". It has been argued that this is open to the interpretation of the individual CODE agent. That people who have followed your supposed rules have still been ganked, and that you are a scammer with no real credibility.




This isn't a law and order issue, because CODE has not been established and endorsed as a law enforcement agency. They are a self appointed organisation, with no oversight, who enforce their will on others. There are many players in the Eve community (myself included) who do not ratify the CODE or it's authority.

We never accepted it's protection. We don't trust it's agents. We cannot be reproached for breaking it - and it you choose to gank us, then good luck to you sir.



Well if you're so keen on prohibiting in character discussions on this Q&A sub-forum, Then I should also point out that arguing CODE's legitimacy and integrity (when it has none) could be qualified as scamming, and therefore an in-character interaction. If this is the incorrect sub-forum for the thread I'm not against it being moved.

The difference between a mining permit and racketeering? The silly narrative that CODE perpetuates to make them look legitimate, of course!

First of all, CODE being in the game is awesome. It's players making player content. It's creative and I like it. People that are angry about it forget the golden rule of EVE: you consent to pvp the moment you click undock. High security does not mean "safe." Never has, and hopefully never will.

With all that said, you can ignore their ridiculous propaganda. CODE is a classic protection racket. It's genuis, but that's what it is. You're better off never paying them for anything, because you don't need it and they don't adhere to it.

CODE can be summed up with an EVE variation on an old classic mobster phrase: "Nice ship you got there. Sure would be a shame if... something happened to it."

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I can't seem to find an actual point (nor a sincere question) anywhere here, OP. Looks like a stealth-whine that other people are doing something and you don't like it more than anything else.

Suppose CODE never actually honors the permit and it's just a total scam. So what?

Lying is allowed. Scamming is allowed. Extortion is allowed. Ganking is allowed. Even when it is granted that it's all a bunch of dishonest extortion that they have no intention of ever honoring, they.... still wouldn't be doing anything wrong (as Eve defines it).

So, why does any of this matter?

I'd say CODE are without a doubt an entity that makes a substantial impact on life in HS. The fact that they are arguably the most recognized Group in the entire game speaks volumes on their ability to create propaganda if nothing else.

Personally I don´t have an issue with them and quite frankly think they provide a service to active players who don´t resort to things like AFK-mining, autopiloting or lazy behaviour in general. The service I'm refering to is ofcourse the fact that they drive up prices if ever so slightly for comodities which benefits active players who get more ISK for their 'labor' in game.

I can understand if those who get ganked feel frustrated but isn´t it better to loose a relatively cheap ship early on and hopefully learn from it then to cluelessly continue being lazy in game and risk a much bigger loss later in ones EVE-career.

Actually, if you sold mining permits to miners, you ARE an Agent of the New Order whether you intended to be or not. Taking action against non Code compliant highsec mining means you are working for James 315. Having a permit is required. Agents get to keep the 10 million ISK for themselves anyway so what you did is exactly what we do.

As far as not honoring permits, its a common complaint and, like most things bot aspirant, comes from ignorance. The permit, as famously loved or hated as it is, is only one requirement of the New Halaima Code of Conduct. There are a number of other requirements and following them all is not optional in New Order systems, including and especially for permit holders. If a miner cynically buys a permit and then goes and AFK mines, he is violating the Code and his illegal mining equipment will be confiscated by the first Agent who discovers the scoff-law.

Additionally, it is often clear to Agents that some permit holders do not actually intend to follow the Code from the way they speak to Agents or about the Code in local. Or the way they fail to tank their ships. Or the way they mine excessively. The list is all laid out in the Code so they know they are in violation. We would be poor enforcers of the democratically derived laws of highsec if we ignored these criminals just because they have paid for a permit. I confirm, because CCP requires it of us, that the New Order has an economic interest in saving highsec but the core of our efforts are because our ideology requires us to raise the highsec miners from the lowly position they choose in the Eve food chain to something better, more human, and more enjoyable for everyone.

I'm a poor representative for the New Order of Highsec so don't take my humble attempts at explaining the New Order or our ganking component, the more famous CODE. alliance as a full explanation. Read James 315. He explains things better and in much more detail than I ever could. Plus, hes the Savior of Highsec so you know he knows what its all about.