EVE General Discussion

Five pages to answer a simple question. Most of it quite rude (directly or indirectly) towards the OP, whose only crime is being new to the game.

Why?

The most consistent impression this whole forum gives is that new players are expected to spend a lot of their personal time entertaining experienced players who enjoy wasting other peoples time.

And despite the ISK-income levels of high-SP players, they're too cheap to pay (in ISK) for the time they waste. A high-SP player could easily get a rookie to face them repeatedly in a starter ship for a few tens of million ISK per hour. It would greatly simplify the whole process, the way BDSM clubs achieve the same thing IRL.
Of course since every new player is quickly taught that dishonesty is the best policy, payment would have to be by the starter ship rather than by the hour, but I don't see that being a real constraint /lol.

And since I'm sure to hear how the majority of griefers are kind and helpful at heart, and how likely they are to pay for destroyed ships as long as you grovel to them afterwards in a convo ... nice people would leave their targets at 25% hull and then start an instructive chat /lol.

OP, - An actual answer to your question is murky.

However there's a good reason beyond simply isk generation / pvp aggression Mission completion items (re: Damsel & co.) end up on contracts. And just as equally focused/targeted and continued bumping of (typically) single miners beyond the confines of one solar system/constellation is a bit grey.

In any case, if the PVP instigator / culprit in your site doesn't offer you a contract for the item, file a petition

As for MTU popping? Presume it par for the course/ignore. You didn't actually need that generic mtu gathered loot/salvage anyway.

Unlike most games EVE seems to encourage the a-hole aggressor, in fact, the game panders to them.


It is of course harassment, but the devs do not agree, they seem to encourage it.
I think pandering to this element is a dumb move, I'd look to attract a wider demographic - but EVE's doing alright so what do I know.

You have 3 options in EVE:

1. Be an a-hole and harass people.
2. Be a glorified drone in some mega-nerd's "fleet"
3. Find some friends and Just try to ignore the a-holes and do your own thing. The game is pretty fun in spite of the trolls.

Dear Miss Kashada, for someone who claims EVE Online is 'pretty fun in spite of the trolls', you don't seem able to communicate that sense of enjoyment very satisfactorily. In fact, your post is quite tearful in its tone.

This view of mine is ably demonstrated by the order of the options you cite as being available to the OP; you place your own happy solution last on the list instead of trumpeting it in pole-position. An odd way to make a recommendation, I think.

What is rightly considered as griefing and harrassment by standard online gamers, is deemed as being PvP by the denizens of New Eden


People usually play a role in roleplaying games, and as they're games, play pretend and suspension of disbelief should be automatic. Ideally, IRL whims should be irrelevant.

However, people playing EvE are really playing each other and trying to harvest Schadenfreude, so what makes absolutely zero sense In the context of New Eden (stealing mission related items -which almost never sell, apart from epic arcs-, and blowing up MTUs for no reason), makes complete sense in the meta context: those players only feel themselves alive and can only have fun in this game if they can feel some random joe has been raging because of their actions over the internet.


Your best option is to quit and maybe comeback once the swamp has bee drained... if ever

It's deemed to be normal PvP game-play by CCP too, the game is designed around other people being able to ruin your day, wherever you are.

If people can't deal with that aspect of the game then there are 1000's of games where the actions considered to be normal game-play in Eve are frowned upon.

Playing against each other is kind of the point of a multiplayer PvP game

Most games don't allow you to role play as the bad guy, Eve does; it also allows you to play the good guy as well as infinite shades of grey between the two. Eve is a competitive PvP game where 90% of the content is created by players trying to get one over on each other, not some themepark MMO where the devs feed you content and give you cookies.

I suggest that you take your own advice, CCP have had over a decade to drain the swamp but they haven't yet and hopefully never will; with the original devs being so called "griefers" from Ultima Online, that indulged in similar activities there, that's no surprise.

Be careful what you wish for, if CCP doesn't cater to their current demographic, imagine the mayhem that they'd cause in the more mainstream games, despite the rules.

/popcorn

Too many people seem to view EVE as a fairytale in space where you can find a happy ending of endless isk, exciting content unleashed often, and a big group hug by everyone. They view it as their own personal space utopia. The problem is, eve is a harsh dystopia. This is how the game is built. It is a world where one must survive and carve out their own space. And when this harsh world comes crashing down upon those personal utopias by ganking, scamming, or even killing their MTU, you really have only two options....

One is to whine and complain about how unfair the game is. Your pleas to change the game to make it more fair, more mainstream, more like the utopia you dream of... will fall upon deaf ears. In the end you quit. Eve is not the game for you.

The other option is to rise to the challenge. Learn what you have to do to survive and when you do, take pride in that accomplishment. Then carry it further and learn how not only to survive but strive at your own goals despite the harshness. Then you will find many ways to enjoy EVE.

This is the reality of EVE and why its many vets like the harshness. We are enjoying our struggle to survive. We are enjoy game as it was designed. And this why those calls to change it so often fail to elicit support. We are in because of the challenge of the harsh world, not inspite if it.

This is the only point in your Courage Doggo tirade that makes sense. And once again it's tied to the alts problem, because if you don't have them, you can't proactively counter (by scouting, putting an alt on an acceleration gate, having an ecm frigate at the ready...) what single gankers do with them

"Oh but it's players vs players what difference does it make that I'm getting ganked by 3 alts played by the same person or 3 different persons playing one char?", will be the argument, however dumb it is, as force multiplication by a single individual through the sheer power of investing more RL money in the game is the definition of P2W - not even considering that not everyone can have three screens, and that rules are supposed to be the same for every player: but in New Eden, not having alts is absolutely handicapping-
"you can buy PLEX ingame!" : will say gankers, who hate PvE (or rather, they hate doing it, but they love getting the isk generated through it from people who don't hate doing it^^), so they're telling you "everyone is equal before alt usage since you can grind instead of paying 15 bucks". The hypocrisy, like pottery. And in the end the consensus is "meh idk what kind of sorry azz job you do but I'd rather work an hour of two IRL rather than shoot at rocks or red crosses for 20+".

But all of this is beside the point, as the problem is:
This videogame is made to play pretend pod pilots in spaceships, there is a background -however despised and ridiculed the RPers are-, people enjoy playing games for suspension of disbelief, immersion, that kind of thing
There is a certain crowd (the same that ridicules RPers, and it's not surprising) who only enjoys making people rage, they're not interested in the gameplay itself, only in making people mad. That's why they will exploit every mechanic even if it makes zero sense in the ingame context (ex bumping), and enjoy nothing more than IRL-related interaction: the best case would be Erotica1



It makes no ingame sense to blow up random MTUs or to steal mission items, but it's absolutely efficient IRL, as you're messing with some random dude just because you can, and basically he can't do jack about it... except escalating, but that's what's expected of him

There's one sentence in eve that is nearly as historic and prolific as "never fly what you can't afford to lose."

And that is:

FIND PVP SOLUTIONS TO PVP PROBLEMS.