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Dane Ge
Ritoru Aroha
#1 - 2016-12-12 23:54:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Dane Ge
I just have a few questions as I can't seem to find the information I need about mining in the Rorqual after the latest changes to it. I have an alt that is almost done training for market trading and hauling and after that is completed I was considering training for a Rorqual and mining as a sometimes occupation. I see also that this would allow me to fly the Orca and Porpoise long before I can pilot the Rorqual. So my general inquiry is I have heard friends and Twitch streamers mention that you can currently mine solo in a Rorqual (solo meaning just the Rorqual on the site while in "safe" corp space) and make up to 400mil isk per hour. Just wondering if this is correct and exactly what sites and what security space would this be in? I have heard mentioned 'small' mining anomalies that take a few hours to clear in a Rorqual and allow you to semi-afk mine and make lots of isk.

EDIT: Just a disclaimer on my Main I currently run Incursions for isk so I am not depending on this AT ALL for my main income, would just be nice to have an alternative that I can do solo and not have to depend on fleet waitlists and everything.

So questions again are

1. Can you really make 400mil isk per hour solo mining in the Rorqual?

2. Would the Orca and Porpoise be worth taking out before I am skilled to fly the Rorqual? (I'll probably take at least a Porpoise out to get the feel of mining as I have never done it lol)

3. What security space and what specific sites allow you the greatest yield and ability to be "afk"?

4. Can anyone recommend good Corporations or Alliances that I should look into to help with the logistics and safety while mining?

5. Besides the ship skills I assume I need mining drone and command burst skills, anything else I am missing?


Thanks for any information you can give me and I am very sorry if this a redundant question I really have not been able to find a Guide or even Thread on this forums that gives me this information. If anyone has a guide or video about this then please link it.

-Dane
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#2 - 2016-12-13 07:23:04 UTC
Shh. The first rule of Rorqual is don't mention how good it is.

1. Yes. You can earn 400mill per hour mining in an Orca (bearing in mind this will be reduced in the next patch) if your definition of 'solo' would be on your own in a belt, with triage on standby and a response fleet on call.

2. Probably not. If you want to mine minerals go ahead but a carrier or other ratting ship generates better isk per hour.

3. Sovereign null. You can't really do afk in a Rorqual. You have to watch local, your drones, switch and move between rocks, compress the ore every so often etc. Its not a set and forget activity.

4. Unless your main can PvP you should try a renter alliance.

5. You will need jump drive skills, PANIC module skills (tactical shield manipulation 5), industrial core skills, good shield and shield repper skills. In fact, generally just good skills. It's a 10 bill ship so just don't be bad.

Good luck
Saveritas
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2016-12-13 13:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Saveritas
Perkin Warbeck wrote:

1. Yes. You can earn 400mill per hour mining in an Orca (bearing in mind this will be reduced in the next patch) if your definition of 'solo' would be on your own in a belt, with triage on standby and a response fleet on call.


Wait; Can an orca field excavator drones aswell?

EDIT: I've been slightly inactive lately, but just noticed Orca has massive mining drone upgrades. Still, 400m/hour? Straight
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#4 - 2016-12-13 13:46:06 UTC
Saveritas wrote:
Perkin Warbeck wrote:

1. Yes. You can earn 400mill per hour mining in an Orca (bearing in mind this will be reduced in the next patch) if your definition of 'solo' would be on your own in a belt, with triage on standby and a response fleet on call.


Wait; Can an orca field excavator drones aswell?

EDIT: I've been slightly inactive lately, but just noticed Orca has massive mining drone upgrades. Still, 400m/hour? Straight


Whoops meant to say Rorqual - my bad Oops. The Orca can only field normal mining drones.
Saveritas
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2016-12-13 19:09:28 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Whoops meant to say Rorqual - my bad Oops. The Orca can only field normal mining drones.


Figured. Else, why even bother to train for a rorq if an orca can do the same but at 20% of the price, lol.

Anyhow, the rorqual looks to be a decent miner. You should know that the base fit to rake in hundreds of millions of ISK an hour costs a good bit of investment (Read: 8/9 b ISK) to start with. And you'd be flying it in null-sec, not the safest place to begin with.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2016-12-13 20:29:19 UTC
Keep in mind there is an incoming Rorqual nerf of 32%.
Dane Ge
Ritoru Aroha
#7 - 2016-12-13 23:13:46 UTC
Ok thanks for all the information everyone especially Perkin Warbeck for answering the majority of my questions. I will train up for the Rorqual and be looking for a good Corp for my alt to sit in that will allow me to mine.
Thor
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2016-12-13 23:35:23 UTC
I wouldn't solo mine in a Rorq without a Cap fleet somewhere near by that can rescue you if needed.
Also, the Orca can use Harvester Drone which mine a lot more than the other mining drones (not inc Excavators)
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2016-12-14 01:33:49 UTC
Thor wrote:
I wouldn't solo mine in a Rorq without a Cap fleet somewhere near by that can rescue you if needed.
Also, the Orca can use Harvester Drone which mine a lot more than the other mining drones (not inc Excavators)


If your mining with harvester drones, your INSANE. Each one costs around half the price of the fit orca currently. Even augmented ones are crazy overpriced atm, but those will at least come down to earth in time.
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#10 - 2016-12-14 07:13:38 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Keep in mind there is an incoming Rorqual nerf of 32%.


This is the nerf I was referring to. Now the income is a measly 300 mill per hour.

Thanks CCP.
Haffsol
#11 - 2016-12-14 10:32:19 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Keep in mind there is an incoming Rorqual nerf of 32%.


This is the nerf I was referring to. Now the income is a measly 300 mill per hour.

Thanks CCP.

Still better than having trit at 1 isk and megacyte at 100 as it would have been in a matter of days if all the reckless multi-rorqual botters were left afloat.
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries
#12 - 2016-12-14 19:41:40 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Keep in mind there is an incoming Rorqual nerf of 32%.


CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay.

We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place.

We are planning two connected changes in this release:
  • Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
  • Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components

We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance.

Thanks!



And that explain why the Elite drone AI have have dropped to a 1/3 of the price they had a few days ago . It has been good as long as it lasted, and I have sold those I had in mi hangars.
Dane Ge
Ritoru Aroha
#13 - 2016-12-16 03:08:34 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Keep in mind there is an incoming Rorqual nerf of 32%.


This is the nerf I was referring to. Now the income is a measly 300 mill per hour.

Thanks CCP.



Well that is still pretty good. Seem weird to me that they would want to nerf the this when it seems like it is finally a way for miners to make as much money as Carrier ratting or even more than highsec incursions. I currently run highsec incursions and have found a good community to do it with. But it would be nice to have a more passive way of making isk that doesn't require me having to wait on a waitlist or for fleets to be up.
Saveritas
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2016-12-16 06:27:10 UTC
Dane Ge wrote:

Well that is still pretty good. Seem weird to me that they would want to nerf the this when it seems like it is finally a way for miners to make as much money as Carrier ratting or even more than highsec incursions. I currently run highsec incursions and have found a good community to do it with. But it would be nice to have a more passive way of making isk that doesn't require me having to wait on a waitlist or for fleets to be up.


Do keep in mind that you'd be flying a 7/8b ISK target through nullsec. You'll want there to be fleets up, or atleast ready on the go whenever they get the drop on you. Besides that, you'll need to compress ore continuously, so while it is passive ISK, you do need to actually make it work.
And while the 300m isk/hour rate is a technical truth, more realistic numbers (transporting the goods, etc) would put you at 200m ISK/hr. So that's atleast 40 hours of mining to earn back the initial investment. And thats 40 hours in which you really want everything going for you :-)

So yes, the rorq is good. It's also a real juicy target for basically everyone that isn't you.
Dane Ge
Ritoru Aroha
#15 - 2016-12-16 20:14:26 UTC
Saveritas wrote:
Dane Ge wrote:

Well that is still pretty good. Seem weird to me that they would want to nerf the this when it seems like it is finally a way for miners to make as much money as Carrier ratting or even more than highsec incursions. I currently run highsec incursions and have found a good community to do it with. But it would be nice to have a more passive way of making isk that doesn't require me having to wait on a waitlist or for fleets to be up.


Do keep in mind that you'd be flying a 7/8b ISK target through nullsec. You'll want there to be fleets up, or atleast ready on the go whenever they get the drop on you. Besides that, you'll need to compress ore continuously, so while it is passive ISK, you do need to actually make it work.
And while the 300m isk/hour rate is a technical truth, more realistic numbers (transporting the goods, etc) would put you at 200m ISK/hr. So that's atleast 40 hours of mining to earn back the initial investment. And thats 40 hours in which you really want everything going for you :-)

So yes, the rorq is good. It's also a real juicy target for basically everyone that isn't you.



Yeah I get your point, I'm going to look more into it and see if I can find a good Corp before I start training specific skills for the Rorqual. I guess Incursions are still the best alternative for guaranteed isk as it is still in high-sec and safe
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-12-25 07:39:56 UTC
Dane Ge wrote:
2. Would the Orca and Porpoise be worth taking out before I am skilled to fly the Rorqual? (I'll probably take at least a Porpoise out to get the feel of mining as I have never done it lol)

No. Orcas & Porpoises can give command boosts but cannot use excavator drones.
Dane Ge wrote:
3. What security space and what specific sites allow you the greatest yield and ability to be "afk"?

Don't be afk at all. NPC rats will target your overpriced excavator drones first. They'll leave just about every other ship alone (including untanked ventures) to go after your billion isk drones.

Colossal anomalies will give the greatest bang for buck, but since drones cannot mine mercoxit, you need mining ships to handle the mercoxit to roll the anomalies.
Dane Ge wrote:
4. Can anyone recommend good Corporations or Alliances that I should look into to help with the logistics and safety while mining?

I am partial to Goons. If you've seen those screenshots of 20-40 rorquals in an anomaly, yeah, we're guilty of that. Have a cyno fit with fuel for it.

Dane Ge wrote:
5. Besides the ship skills I assume I need mining drone and command burst skills, anything else I am missing?

Max out your mining drone & specialization skills. The T2 industrial core makes a huge difference. Also there's a drone mining rig you want to consider. Have a capital remote shield booster to save your overpriced drones, or anyone else the npc rats (or roaming pvpers) decide to beat on.
Lhord GankBang
Not Great. Not terrible
#17 - 2016-12-31 13:14:09 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Keep in mind there is an incoming Rorqual nerf of 32%.


This is the nerf I was referring to. Now the income is a measly 300 mill per hour.

Thanks CCP.

You sound like a summer child. 300M per hours is still good enough reason to use rorq for mining. You can pay for your hull by mining for 10 hours. How can that be not fair? Try mining in Skiff or a Hulk and see how long it takes to reach 300M.
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#18 - 2017-01-01 08:35:56 UTC
Lhord GankBang wrote:
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Keep in mind there is an incoming Rorqual nerf of 32%.


This is the nerf I was referring to. Now the income is a measly 300 mill per hour.

Thanks CCP.

You sound like a summer child. 300M per hours is still good enough reason to use rorq for mining. You can pay for your hull by mining for 10 hours. How can that be not fair? Try mining in Skiff or a Hulk and see how long it takes to reach 300M.


And you. good sir. seem incapable of detecting irony or sarcasm. I tried mining in a Skiff once but hope to never have to do so again as long as the CCP servers continue to operate.

I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavours.
Gisele Serebriakova
Norman's Meat Market
#19 - 2017-01-05 19:17:57 UTC
The highest I can get a Rorq's mining rate in pyfa is, 325km3/hr per excavator drone which is consistent-ish with the 18400m3 per min fozzy said to be the max m3 one could pump out.

The isk/m3 for araknor is 494.72 atm per fuzzworks so you make about 8mil/min mining nothing but the best.

You can make more in a c5/6 shattered hole mining ice. The estimate I did was around 1.5 bill an hour (at least I think it was around that this is from memory the number maybe significantly higher given that a unit of Krystallos is worth 1326.04)

OFC IRL you will make significantly less from being inefficient but these are OK upper estimates of profitability.

After the nerf it's about 6mil/min so 360-ish mil an hour.

I wouldn't be surprised if they got hit harder in the future. Mineral prices nuked hard after they got introduced and it's likely going to get worse given that it takes a year and a half to skill into one and it actually makes sense to skill into them now.
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#20 - 2017-01-06 02:30:58 UTC
Gisele Serebriakova wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if they got hit harder in the future. Mineral prices nuked hard after they got introduced and it's likely going to get worse given that it takes a year and a half to skill into one and it actually makes sense to skill into them now.



Which would be a shame as null sec finally has an effective means to end its reliance on high sec ores. I don't agree with the logic that a drop in high sec mineral prices must mean a nerf to low or null sec mining just so that high sec miners can retain their income. In fact I would think that CCP would want the opposite to happen, forcing high sec industry out to null.
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