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Possible solution for sad data sides

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#1 - 2016-12-31 08:42:20 UTC
Data sites are pretty sad at the moment and I have talked to many people about them and so far even the folks that come visit nullsec and do nothing but probe relic and data sites all day and avoid pvp like the plague say that data sites are not worth uncloaking for.

After doing some of them myself and doing some relic sites in comparison, I agree with them and a possible solution just came to me:

Relic sites can sometimes drop blueprints for t2 rigs and the t2 salvage, so how a redistribution of those blueprints. The relic sites would still drop this nice salvage but data sites would have the blueprints for the t2 rigs that relic sites have now.

I do not know if those copies are sold or not, since I make rigs for my corp and alliance buddies but I think it would be reasonable to put the copies into data sites, so people will want to farm them too.

What do you think?

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2016-12-31 08:49:16 UTC
The copies are awful. They're worse than invention. Even if you get a "good" rig print it's hardly worth building on. Unfortunately, this isn't a fix.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#3 - 2016-12-31 08:51:45 UTC
Ouuh okay. I did find a 2x t2 medium trimark copy and I already had the salvage, so I thought that would be something to desire.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-12-31 12:59:18 UTC
I thought they did almost this exact thing already? Changed the drops so almost all BPCs drop from data sites now. Though TBH I can't find the dev blog stating it.

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Iain Cariaba
#5 - 2016-12-31 13:10:12 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I thought they did almost this exact thing already? Changed the drops so almost all BPCs drop from data sites now. Though TBH I can't find the dev blog stating it.

I remember reading this as well. IICR, was about the time they redid the spawn rates/ranges for escalations that they redid the loot tables for data/relic sites, if that helps narrow down the time frame. I may have the time wrong, but that seems about right.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM Defensive Initiative
#6 - 2016-12-31 14:15:28 UTC
I would like to get rid of research agents and place all datacores in data sites. Let them drop only from those sites.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#7 - 2016-12-31 15:25:48 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I thought they did almost this exact thing already? Changed the drops so almost all BPCs drop from data sites now. Though TBH I can't find the dev blog stating it.


So did I and you know me for being very observant. I ran a couple of data sites but all I got was some datacores, cosmos module components, carbon (???), and one faction data+relic analyzer (from shooting a relic runner).

So all in all wasn't worth my time.

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Atomeon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-12-31 21:44:54 UTC
They need some "unique" drops, but i think that cant be done cause everything is already assigned to another site or NPCs.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-12-31 22:26:50 UTC
The best option for data sites, in my opinion, would be for meta modules to need to be built and some of the components necessary for the build would only come from data sites.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#10 - 2017-01-01 00:31:46 UTC
They should have the data sites drop BPCs for generic Implants and stuff needed to build implants. Then remove the implants from the LP stores.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Specia1 K
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2017-01-01 02:59:04 UTC
Glad I collected all those small AAR prints and Drone AI's over the past few years. Cashed in very well this year.

Otherwise I have stopped doing data sites almost entirely.

CCP should look at materials for new items and structures and backfill some with drops from data sites to both balance the market and encourage the sites to be run. Win-win for exploration, markets and pvp.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#12 - 2017-01-01 12:14:47 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I would like to get rid of research agents and place all datacores in data sites. Let them drop only from those sites.


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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2017-01-01 19:41:48 UTC
The economic difference between Relic and Data sites is that Data sites drop a larger percentage of the valuable materials needed, thus saturating the market and reducing the need to run data sites. Data sites should drop a small amount of valuable stuff that you can only get from Data sites, and that would fix the problem. It's the way to balance any every resource supply in a game.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM Defensive Initiative
#14 - 2017-01-02 09:22:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Getting rid of research agents would make datacores more rare and more valuable. Reimburse skillpoints, data sites drops would get more valuable.

Or keep the agents and make them research stuff like meta level blueprint copies from originals. Research agent would work as a sidekick to capsuleer. Allow alphas to produce meta levels, and have them agents available for them also. Remove drop of meta modules from loot. Tech 2 BPC would need still capsuleer to research them.

As for loot replacement in missions, make requirement for dogtags more prevalent in LP store. Make them drop from rats in missions.