Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So you just post and don't read what is posted by people, earlier I pointed out that carriers died a lot when they were better with Sentries, local was not an issue, then sentries were nerfed in terms of carriers and the plush kills ended, was that the fault of local and why did people kill so many.

Now you just ignored the basic point of this to be a smart ass and make a stupid comment out of context to carriers, as such I have now marked you as a troll, you are now blocked for being a total tool and not worth my time reading, up yours troll.

You've never lived in WHs, have you? In WHs you never assume you're alone, so it's not a big deal if someone is cloaked next to you. You're in PvP fit ships, in fleet and on comms with everyone else. If someone decloaks and shoots you, great, you get to fight back. That's the difference. Nullseccers want risk free PvE.

The doctrine mining ships in WH corps more often than not call for a warp disruptor so you can hold the attacker on grid long enough for the defense fleet to show up

The only way you guarentee you're alone in a system in a wormhole? Keep a dictor and insta-locker on every incoming connection 100% of the time (which happens often when safety is needed)

Yet you are fine with people being 100% safe behind intel systems spanning several regions, bring able to dock, be immune to any harm when in range of a citadel or in a pos shield.

The drawbacks to the cloaking device are rather savage.

Of course you can AFK cloak without local, but what is the point? Suppose you are in a system with no local. I come in, you won't see me unless you use d-scan. If I then cloak up and go AFK you'll never know I am there. So I will have no impact on you. None. It becomes pointless unless I'm going for a bio, food, answer the phone, etc.

AFK cloaking only works because of local. No local, no AFK cloaking. Local is how you know a cloaked ship is there. Local is what lets you detect cloaked ships. Not enough to find them, but enough to know there is one in system. Local is the counter to cloaking...it lets you know that danger is there and you don't know where, so change your behavior.

Frankly after much thought I'm forced to conclude that ganking is not a cornerstone of player retention. It may drive some out of the game, but not substantially. Players who inflate their ego with the notion that ganking drives players away like to think so, and then get jollies on saying it aint so - hence there will never be a true metric around this notion.

What has hurt Eve the most is that the game went towards rewarding the kind of player who "has all the time in the world" so to speak. Casual gaming has suffered greatly from the changes over the last 2-3 years. The deep dark secret is that Eve was better off with a lot of casual gaming. And while the HTFU religionists might want to chime in with their strawmen of casual/PVe being "easy", keep in mind that what killed exploration as an example for a lot of players was that CCP made it infinitely (relatively) easier to do exploration.

The SP system was the final bulwark between players who had "all the time in the world" and those casuals who have jobs, families, etc. Keep in mind that someone who spends many hours on a video game every day looks mentally ill to those who WOULD NOT, and extremely useless to those who CANNOT (huge difference, hence the caps) . While Eve had a bad reputation for the ass-hattery, it still had a good reputation for not rewarding "bad" behavior, from the perspective of casuals who are the vast majority of gamers.

Yes it does not go along the lines of "HTFU this is Eve hurrr durrrr" but the final reality is that casual play is what brings in the rank and file and gives potential life and vigor to the die-hards. We had the biggest fleet fight in all of game history and nobody really cared the way players used to care.


This thread is about AFK cloaking. A casual gamer does not have to put up with this "Schroedingers Cat" situation regarding whether the stranger in local (with the killboard showing him in the gang of BLOPS fleets horing in with a target painter.... ahem *cough*) is actually at the keyboard or not. I would say that the weaponization of boredome in Eve has done more harm than ganking. Ganking and getting ganked can actually be exciting.

Cloaking devices have to use fuel, covert ops will eat more fuel than non-covert ops devices.

Fuel is a timer based solution. It's good.

Talking to the hand, bro.

Yeah, no...you are still reading them otherwise you wouldn't respond.

Talking to the hand, bro.

Anyway. I think we have reached a concensus despite this thread's poster selection bias (you can say what you want about people using broken mechanics - be it wormhole space denizens or afk cloaky campers - , but they certainly have enough free time on their hands to post in this thread. That at least is one thing they have going for them).

Afk cloaky camping needs to end now.