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Solo small POS set up/viability
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Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-12-30 15:20:46 UTC
HI all,

I am considering setting up a high sec pos for drone research and t2 production.

I was considering small, poss with 1x drone array , and 3 x research labs not sure if its best set up.

the total cost would be at arround 300 mill, with 5 mill per day in fuel cost.

How good is this?, alternatives?
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#2 - 2016-12-30 15:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
One research lab is enough, you can do a infinite number of jobs in it so no need to setup multiple one, small POS can't handle more than one or maybe two I believe.

As for viability of the installation, small pos are very easy to blow up after a wardec on your corp. So make sure you dont start jobs longer than 24 hours or you could have to cancel them to repackage your pos before the wardec starts.

As for what you want to do (T2 drones) bear in mind that since they're (very) small objects, you'll have to make margin by doing big jobs of them, to make every percent of the bpc and bpo ME and TE count.

An advice of mine would be to do the research in a avaiable engineering complex nearby, and do 24h jobs of manufacturing in your POS.

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Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-12-30 15:42:05 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
One research lab is enough, you can do a infinite number of jobs in it so no need to setup multiple one, small POS can't handle more than one or maybe two I believe.

As for viability of the installation, small pos are very easy to blow up after a wardec on your corp. So make sure you dont start jobs longer than 24 hours or you could have to cancel them to repackage your pos before the wardec starts.

As for what you want to do (T2 drones) bear in mind that since they're (very) small objects, you'll have to make margin by doing big jobs of them, to make every percent of the bpc and bpo ME and TE count.

An advice of mine would be to do the research in a avaiable engineering complex nearby, and do 24h jobs of manufacturing in your POS.



I am testing public corp labs, jsut trying to figure out if owning a poss matters at this scale , idk ideas?
Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-12-30 16:01:08 UTC
I honestly don't think it makes sense from a pure ISK standpoint for a solo POS anymore.

After running the numbers, my corp took down our Large and medium and moved to public EC's. Getting over the mostly emotional "don't own our own infrastructure" thing was harder for some than others, but...

In your case I would find two public EC's with low tax rates (1% or so) that are rigged for what you want to do. I would guess that you could find one rigged for research and one for drone manufacturing fairly close together. This would give you virtually the same bonuses as work in a POS, with zero fuel bill, almost the exact same fees, no hassle if war decked AND the bonus of asset protection for your BPO's and components / minerals if the EC is destroyed.

Seems a total win for me.
Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-12-30 16:45:53 UTC
alright jsut checked profit margin for t2 light drone in my area, you gona laugh its negative -40% ,90% of cost is research i am not sure i am happy with how this is looking lol, wtf is going on how to solo research/produce now, what i miss lol.
Seer Profitus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-12-30 17:03:46 UTC
Strrog wrote:
alright jsut checked profit margin for t2 light drone in my area, you gona laugh its negative -40% ,90% of cost is research i am not sure i am happy with how this is looking lol, wtf is going on how to solo research/produce now, what i miss lol.


Which decryptor are you using in your analysis?

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-12-30 17:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Be careful with "obscure" public ECs, you are at the mercy of the owner, and only BPOs and stuff not currently in jobs are covert by asset safety. T2 drones are tight, because many second hand on the market, but manufacturing hobgoblins T2 show me a profit of ~15% currently without using a decryptor and NPC station. Hint, the decryptor costs kill the profit. Blink

I'm my own NPC alt.
Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-12-30 17:24:02 UTC
Seer Profitus wrote:
Strrog wrote:
alright jsut checked profit margin for t2 light drone in my area, you gona laugh its negative -40% ,90% of cost is research i am not sure i am happy with how this is looking lol, wtf is going on how to solo research/produce now, what i miss lol.


Which decryptor are you using in your analysis?



the 4 mill one
Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-12-30 17:31:51 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Be careful with "obscure" public ECs, you are at the mercy of the owner, and only BPOs and stuff not currently in jobs are covert by asset safety. T2 drones are tight, because many second hand on the market, but manufacturing hobgoblins T2 show me a profit of ~15% currently without using a decryptor and NPC station. Hint, the decryptor costs kill the profit. Blink



with indy alt skills max for production bonus 15% margin is really tight, considering i have to buy all the expensive componenets and research.

Also at 38% success rate for research mats whats the avrg cost? its about 280 k per research atempt, which translates to about 480 k researc cost for 10 unints plus 2.6 mill in companents. ok so with no decriptor, we looking at 310 k in production cost or so, ah ok then it makes sense so now we getting abck to 20-25% profit margin, jsut goa dumb the decrytors oh well lol.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#10 - 2016-12-30 19:22:50 UTC
I make T2 drones at a small POS and they are very profitable.

1. Do not use decryptors for modules or drones. All they save you are datacores - it's usually cheaper to do 2 invention runs than 1 run with a decryptor.
2. Most of the cost of T2 drones is PI. Robotics and Guidance Systems. I make robotics to build mining drones in highsec - I pay 3% import and 6% export tax. More than my nullsec operation but still a lot better than buying PI on the market. Train customs code expertise to level 5.

My POS has a design lab and a handful of assembly arrays. The component array is the most important - the ME bonus there pays the fuel bill.

Drone and module production jobs only take a few hours so wardecs are a minor inconvenience. I can pack up the POS and move my business to a station in a couple of hours. I make less but the aggressor makes nothing, which tends to discourage future wardecs.
Les Routiers
Proudly Snoring
#11 - 2016-12-31 10:11:47 UTC
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
After running the numbers, my corp took down our Large and medium and moved to public EC's. Getting over the mostly emotional "don't own our own infrastructure" thing was harder for some than others, but...


Problems with using public ECs:
- Decent index / not-horrible logistics / flexibility: having one is easy, having two is a bit harder, having all three is impossible AFAIK. So you either use an EC hub and eat the index costs, specialize and pray the market doesn't turn against your chosen field, or run from multiple ECs in multiple systems which makes logistics a nightmare.
- A lot of the first batch of Astrahuses that used to offer reprocessing or cloning services have now gone offline as the owners either realize they were losing ISK, or went afg and forgot about them altogether.

I suppose if you go hard-core on your market research and organization, you can make the public EC hubs work for you. Casual players won't find it so easy, though. Oh well...

Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:
In your case I would find two public EC's with low tax rates (1% or so) that are rigged for what you want to do. I would guess that you could find one rigged for research and one for drone manufacturing fairly close together. This would give you virtually the same bonuses as work in a POS, with zero fuel bill, almost the exact same fees, no hassle if war decked AND the bonus of asset protection for your BPO's and components / minerals if the EC is destroyed.


+1 that as long as he knows he wants to do drones, ECs are probably a safer bet, at least to get started.

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Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-12-31 12:16:09 UTC
Gona try some t2 production today seems margin is alright, gettin research up though since you can que multple t2 inventions in one research slot.

now with about 10 research slot and 10 production slots, what should be rough economic or profit output for t2 production, if we take 20-25% profit margin
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-12-31 15:20:40 UTC
Don't forget the cost for sales orders at 3.5% of the good's value (with perfect skills)...

I'm my own NPC alt.
Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-12-31 15:37:04 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Don't forget the cost for sales orders at 3.5% of the good's value (with perfect skills)...


ye for convenience sake i factor in 5% taxes on everything.
Sara Starbuck
Adamantine Creations
#15 - 2017-01-05 18:20:17 UTC
I would stop thinking profit% but instead profit/hour, sure some items give 100% profits but other items with 10% profits guve much higher profit/hour etc.
Strrog
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2017-01-05 19:42:40 UTC
ye for now its not worth it for me so gona stick to public services.