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Are mining permits actually a thing?

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2016-12-30 11:49:24 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.


DMC



Hello DeMichael. You must be Crimson from embarrassment at your less-than-impressive use of the term 'Jihad'. In its literal and Arabic sense, I take Jihad simply to mean any kind of struggle waged against an opponent. A better word might be 'striving'. As a technical term, there are 2 kinds of Jihad; the so-called Lesser Jihad (striving against others), and the 'Greater Jihad'. This latter is the striving against one's own 'demons'. The word has some of the original connotation of the German word 'Kampf', but is given an extra dimension by the historical context, indicated above.

Hope that helps.

Nope. Doesn't help but I will give you credit for doing a nice play on my name. Also good job of researching the meaning of the word 'Jihad' and posting it from Wikipedia.

According to the Middle East Forum, the term Jihad in many contexts means "fighting" even though there are other words in Arabic that are used more often to portray the act of making war, such as qital or harb. In the Qur'an and in later Muslim usage, Jihad is commonly followed by the expression "fi sabil Illah", meaning "in the path of God."

After the Qur'an, the Hadith (collection of writings about the sayings and acts of the prophet) is the second most important source of Islamic law (Shari'a). In Hadith collections, Jihad means "armed action".

Anyway, the term is fitting and if you don't like it, well .................


DMC
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2016-12-30 12:00:04 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.


DMC


That seems like a bit of hyperbole. If they are really sending racist messages they and their mains should be banned if not muted for offensive language. Seems like a fairly simple thing to screenshot and report for unless I've been gone longer than I thought and people are allowed to say whatever they want now lol.

Never said they use offensive language but their doctrine is definitely Racist towards players who engage in Mining. They also discriminate and persecute them as well.

Racist is a person who believes that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.


DMC
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#43 - 2016-12-30 12:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Never said they use offensive language but their doctrine is definitely Racist towards players who engage in Mining. They also discriminate and persecute them as well.

Racist is a person who believes that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.


DMC
Racism implies discrimination based upon one's race or ethnicity, miners are neither a race nor an ethnic group; ergo it's not racism.

While CODE. may indeed persecute people based upon their occupation and state of awareness, or lack thereof, it is by no means racist.

Throwing out socially charged words such as racist does nobody any favours, it merely shows your ignorance.

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Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#44 - 2016-12-30 12:13:16 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Never said they use offensive language but their doctrine is definitely Racist towards players who engage in Mining. They also discriminate and persecute them as well.

Racist is a person who believes that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
DMC


To discriminate somone because of his/her profession is not racism but rankism or classism. There is a political correct word for nearly everything Roll
IcemanNeo
BOSS. Industries
#45 - 2016-12-30 12:19:31 UTC
If you buy a permit, you are essentially handing over ISK to give to someone else to build ships.
Which means, someone has to mine ore. That ore has to be reprocessed. So on and so forth.
If you were to buy a permit from CODE, you are actually making the Economy of EVE actually work.

Making the economy work not just in one way, but three. You and your CODE Permit Officer, and the capsuleer that is building ships.
Thursday Park-Laine
Queens of the Drone Age
#46 - 2016-12-30 12:33:20 UTC
10 Mil. is cheap. Just buy it, read the Code, don't AFK mine and tell us if it worked out for you.
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#47 - 2016-12-30 12:35:42 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:

Bumping an orbiting ship is just one of the many skills exhibited by our members. The (relatively) new mobility afforded by the use of the arrow keys is a welcome addition to the bumping toolbox, but James 315 was bumping orbiting barges years ago.


I never thought the Federal Navy Academy would engange in minerbumping as their main activity. Who are you talking about when you refer to "your" members?
Salvos Rhoska
#48 - 2016-12-30 12:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
I got a whole roll of them:

CODE Mining Permits

And this ultra-rare neon edition license:

Special License
Memphis Baas
#49 - 2016-12-30 12:49:26 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Learn to speak English before you call other people idiots.


Fun fact, the word is actually the same in many languages, so he does NOT, in fact, have to learn English. Lol He can just say it and look like an idiot himself, and most of the international player base will know it, too.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2016-12-30 12:52:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Khan Wrenth wrote:
I find the whole CODE thing silly, but the fun kind of silly. Like, going to a carnival and getting your face painted by an artist sort of silly.

I've ganked miners, but I didn't cite any reason beyond "because I can". I've never done it to upset someone, promote or disrupt some behavior, generate a profit, or anything like that. I'm not in it for the tears either. - one guy I ganked complained that he couldn't afford a better DCU (he had a meta 0, not even a named one), so I gave him 10 mil to replace his ship and buy better equipment.

I like it as a change of pace and a feat of discipline. Perhaps yes, a gank is down to equations, but there's still a lot of variables and a lot that can go wrong. Trying to track down idle miners, trying to find them in systems with a low enough security rating to give you time to pull off the gank, trying to scan them without them noticing or getting suspicious, calculating the EHP of their fit, clandestinely making bookmarks, try to warp in and stick the landing perfectly and hope the guy hasn't moved in the meantime...it's a lot of hassle and there's a reason I do it so very infrequently. Heck the only reason I got my sec status so low isn't from ganking a lot; it's from accidentally podding a guy.

So citing a "code of conduct" seems entirely superfluous to me. But I won't frown upon people doing their RP thing; it's their game and their way to have fun. My fun is being able to pull it off when I have the patience for it.


That's CODE's way of generating drama and attention. By citing some bullshit code of conduct, they invite people who despise CODE to show up to decry them, upon which they will reply in just the right way to incite more outrage, and thus generating a crapton of attention to themselves and their activities, which is what they get off to.

Also, screw mining as a primary source of income.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Salvos Rhoska
#51 - 2016-12-30 12:59:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
CODE is like the Westboro Church.

Many people dont know this, but Westboro actually only has about 40 registered members.
Puny even compared to the membership of many corps in EVE.

They are a tiny organisation, that has generated an enormous and completely disproportional media representation.

Their activities also do not break any laws. They just show up and hold signs some people find offensive.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2016-12-30 12:59:53 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Nope. Doesn't help but I will give you credit for doing a nice play on my name. Also good job of researching the meaning of the word 'Jihad' and posting it from Wikipedia.

According to the Middle East Forum, the term Jihad in many contexts means "fighting" even though there are other words in Arabic that are used more often to portray the act of making war, such as qital or harb. In the Qur'an and in later Muslim usage, Jihad is commonly followed by the expression "fi sabil Illah", meaning "in the path of God."

After the Qur'an, the Hadith (collection of writings about the sayings and acts of the prophet) is the second most important source of Islamic law (Shari'a). In Hadith collections, Jihad means "armed action".

Anyway, the term is fitting and if you don't like it, well .................


DMC


You're very kind in helping me out there! This was one topic for which I didn't need recourse to Wikipedia (or indeed the Middle East Forum - whatever that is).

But we don't want to derail this useful thread with our private discussion. I was simply pointing out that you used the term rather loosely and, if I may say so, insultingly. The New Order of Highsec is not a terrorist organisation. It governs beneficently, and by consent.

Peace! Shalom! Salam!
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2016-12-30 13:06:54 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Shalom! Salam!

Isn't that a type of skiing?
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2016-12-30 13:10:18 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

their doctrine is definitely Racist towards players who engage in Mining. They also discriminate and persecute them as well.

DMC


Neither miners nor suicide-gankers for the New Order constitute a 'race'. 'Racism' cannot therefore be used to describe what you believe is happening.

Trying to force a square peg into a round hole is likely to lead to disappointment - and failure.

As for the following sentence, I'm too knackered to bother explaining these concepts to you. You do seem rather impotently belligerent.
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#55 - 2016-12-30 13:16:52 UTC
Save your space bucks and find a quieter system to mine.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2016-12-30 13:17:14 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:

I never thought the Federal Navy Academy would engange in minerbumping as their main activity. Who are you talking about when you refer to "your" members?


Apologies, Sequester. I'm a member of the New Order of Highsec, which is the organisation set up by James 315. It supports and enforces all Code-based activities across Highsec. The CODE. Alliance also exists under the banner of the New Order; of that Alliance I am not a member. So, my members are 'my fellow members' across the broad spectrum of supporters.

Despite the NPC Corp affiliation, this character is my Main.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#57 - 2016-12-30 13:22:04 UTC
Khan Wrenth wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Shalom! Salam!

Isn't that a type of skiing?

Maybe he had slalom on mind. I have heard about that from fellow Caldari crewmember.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#58 - 2016-12-30 13:24:20 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Never said they use offensive language but their doctrine is definitely Racist towards players who engage in Mining. They also discriminate and persecute them as well.

Racist is a person who believes that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.


DMC
Racism implies discrimination based upon one's race or ethnicity, miners are neither a race nor an ethnic group; ergo it's not racism.

While CODE. may indeed persecute people based upon their occupation and state of awareness, or lack thereof, it is by no means racist.

Throwing out socially charged words such as racist does nobody any favours, it merely shows your ignorance.


Minerphobia then...

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Professor Sternu Tarantoga
Queens of the Drone Age
#59 - 2016-12-30 13:45:55 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


Minerphobia then...


You can translate that as "hating miners" or " beeing afraid of miners". I would rather say CODE. is kind of obsessed with miners. That would be "minermania" then.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2016-12-30 14:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Lfod Shi wrote:
Save your space bucks and find a quieter system to mine.


And never go full AFK. Check the local, d-scan, watch for suspicious catalysts and get ready to move the ship at a moment's notice. Tank the barge too, while at it. If truly paranoid, stay away from any 0.5 high sec systems.

Also, fly procurers or skiffs, for they are badass.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.