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Are mining permits actually a thing?

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2016-12-30 07:09:34 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Questioning the validity of the New Order's permits is itself a violation of the commandments of The Code.

Is this really a route you wish to travel? Or can I expect 10m and an apology in the mail?


Maybe this will clear things up for you ........................



DMC
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#22 - 2016-12-30 08:05:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Sequester Risalo
Black Pedro wrote:
The mining permit is only part of following the New Halaima Code of Conduct. It is absolutely required for you to legally mine in New Order territory, but it isn't a license to bot or mine in a bot-aspirant fashion. You still need to respect the other rules which are there not only for the miner's own good, but the good of highsec in general.


The truth is hidden some where in here.

They not only require you to follow their rules (which are quite reasonable), but also to pay the "permit-fee". Now the catch is: If you are abiding by the rules, you won't need a permit because you are safe enough. If you do not follow the rules, no permit will protect you.

So fly a tanked ship, be at your keyboard, set CODE. to red and watch local.
Wojciech Dziuk
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2016-12-30 08:19:30 UTC
You have many choices depends on your individual preferences:

1. If you want to mine semi-afk you cannot use Covetor/Hulk/Mackinaw/Retriver. Only Procurer or Skiff because it have enough tank. Gankers always attack easiest targets so you're pretty safe in your procurer. Google "Procurer tank fit".
2. If you want to mine and look on screen all the time you can use Covetor/Hulk/Mackinaw/Retriver, BUT:
a) Go to zkillboard, check your system and other close systems in region.
b) Check who is ganking there (usually).
c) Add their corps with terrible standings to contacts.
d) Check in which hour they usually play. In my mining systems only 3 groups ganks. One group can be paid&follow the rules, second group is ganking every day the same hours, so I can change my Covetors to Procurers when they are starting to hunt, and last group I just watch local 100% of the time (mining on 3 accounts). It's still dangerous to mine with other ships then Procs or Skiffs, but you can minimize the risk.

Better then crying on gankers thing on this:
more ganks->less miners/afk miners->less minerals->higher prices for you. If you want to mine afk get an Orca:D
Josef Djugashvilis
#24 - 2016-12-30 08:36:55 UTC
Of all the self-promoting groups in the game, CODE are the only one I find creepy.

It is not that I hold any form of religious belief - I consider all religions to be pretty much equally silly.

I get that they do the whole James aged 13 and a bit (the only serious rival to mittens for the biggest ego in the game) and the semi-religious thing for fun, but I just find them creepy.

Any one who is daft enough to buy a mining permit from them deserves to be treated as the idiots they are.

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#25 - 2016-12-30 08:53:56 UTC
As long as CODE don't jettison miners corpses at gates as a warnings I don't see the problem. Content is content.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#26 - 2016-12-30 09:13:44 UTC
OP please use a Procurer and fit for tank and refuse to pay them any extortion money. They don't have the numbers to kill a properly tanked Procurer let alone a Skiff most of the time, very rarely do they up their game for those challenges...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2016-12-30 09:35:39 UTC
The Code isn't bad: If you follow it you are save from CODE and other gankers. They just wrote down the way people should act in Eve to be safe and now want to charge extortion money. So follow the Code and there is no reason to pay for protection from CODE cause they will find a loophole in the Code to kill you anyway.
If they, or anyone else, can kill you, you violated the Code anyway.
Just a good advice: create your own jump marks in Belts far away from the "normal" jump in. That will give you the time to get away.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-12-30 10:06:53 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.


DMC



Hello DeMichael. You must be Crimson from embarrassment at your less-than-impressive use of the term 'Jihad'. In its literal and Arabic sense, I take Jihad simply to mean any kind of struggle waged against an opponent. A better word might be 'striving'. As a technical term, there are 2 kinds of Jihad; the so-called Lesser Jihad (striving against others), and the 'Greater Jihad'. This latter is the striving against one's own 'demons'. The word has some of the original connotation of the German word 'Kampf', but is given an extra dimension by the historical context, indicated above.

Hope that helps.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2016-12-30 10:12:11 UTC
If CODE ever talks to you, remember that they are basically in-game organised criminals e.g. the Mafia or the gangs of Chicago and respond accordingly.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-12-30 10:22:03 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
They are extorting you. Just tank your mining barge to make yourself a much less of an attractive target to dessie gankers. If they try bumping, move that darn ship and orbit a rock.



Bumping an orbiting ship is just one of the many skills exhibited by our members. The (relatively) new mobility afforded by the use of the arrow keys is a welcome addition to the bumping toolbox, but James 315 was bumping orbiting barges years ago.

Most miners who use the orbiting technique, do so in the mistaken supposition that they can thereby slope off and safely spend some time AFK . Wrong.

It's a relatively straightforward matter of hand-eye co-ordination to predict the path of an orbiting vessel, and to intercept it at just the right moment. And if you fail? Why, there will be many opportunities to get it right. That miner will have forgotten all about the game the moment his attention is wrested from the rocks.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2016-12-30 10:23:56 UTC
Sark Nosha wrote:
I have always found that trusting in the good nature of anyone - especially in Eve is a terrible idea. Mine with one eye on local and d-scan - you will be just fine.
CODE and the dozens of other organisations that try to set us scams can't protect you against all of the different groups that Gank. So unless you plan on buying permits for all, save your money and if it gets that bad, give that same money to some mercenaries to war dec them on your behalf.


Wardec an Alliance made up of -10's? Whatever for?
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-12-30 10:30:43 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.


DMC


That seems like a bit of hyperbole. If they are really sending racist messages they and their mains should be banned if not muted for offensive language. Seems like a fairly simple thing to screenshot and report for unless I've been gone longer than I thought and people are allowed to say whatever they want now lol.


No, Matthias, you're still in the same place. Welcome back! Regrettably, it's the miners and carebears on the receiving end of our generosity who are most likely to use the sort of language referred to by DMC. Our Agents are always polite, both because it's good manners and because we know that folks like La Crimson are just looking for any excuse to go on a suck-up ego trip.

Look at the posts in this thread, for example. You'll see that all the supporters of the New Order of Highsec, whether formally affiliated or not, use standard, usually well-formed English to express themselves. Our detractors, sometimes not....
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2016-12-30 10:46:27 UTC
Wojciech Dziuk wrote:


1. If you want to mine semi-afk you cannot use Covetor/Hulk/Mackinaw/Retriver. Only Procurer or Skiff


I'm going to stop you right there Wojciech.

If you navigate to the following link and scroll down the page a bit, you'll find a list of Skiffs and other stuff ganked over 2 days by Lawrence Lawton and the gang.

Skiff Solutions, by the CODE. Alliance

There is no 100% effective way of miners (and others) avoiding their civic responsibilities if they live in,work in or visit James 315 space (Highsec). You can even ship-spin in a Code-compliant manner if you make sure your activities are related to the Code. It's that simple.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2016-12-30 10:48:19 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
HadleysHope wrote:
Just returned to the game after a lonngg time away and got blown up by a guy who mailed me saying he'd done it because I didnt have a mining permit.

- returns after long hiatus
- first thing to do - mine
- uses badly fitted mining barge (no tank)
- gets suicided
- comes to forums talking about New Order

.... why it is almost always the same story? Can't you guys create another one to remind about yourself? Big smile


OKay here's a story about CODE. Once we were roaming around in assault frigs in lowsec and a CODE dude showed up in local. He was silent the entire time as we laughed in comms about how impotent he is as he burned back to gate and left local.

The end.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-12-30 10:57:09 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
If CODE ever talks to you, remember that they are basically in-game organised criminals e.g. the Mafia or the gangs of Chicago and respond accordingly.


i.e. turn us into eminently bankable American anti-heroes of a perennially popular cinematic and literary sub-cultural genre?

I would!
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#36 - 2016-12-30 11:00:01 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Questioning the validity of the New Order's permits is itself a violation of the commandments of The Code.

Is this really a route you wish to travel? Or can I expect 10m and an apology in the mail?


Hard thought this may seem to believe. There are some here wo do not subscribe to those commandments - and therefore do not feel obliged to pay the penalties or permits which it requires.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-12-30 11:01:04 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
HadleysHope wrote:
Just returned to the game after a lonngg time away and got blown up by a guy who mailed me saying he'd done it because I didnt have a mining permit.

- returns after long hiatus
- first thing to do - mine
- uses badly fitted mining barge (no tank)
- gets suicided
- comes to forums talking about New Order

.... why it is almost always the same story? Can't you guys create another one to remind about yourself? Big smile


OKay here's a story about CODE. Once we were roaming around in assault frigs in lowsec and a CODE dude showed up in local. He was silent the entire time as we laughed in comms about how impotent he is as he burned back to gate and left local.

The end.


Sounds like you had a narrow escape there!
Black Pedro
Mine.
#38 - 2016-12-30 11:24:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Questioning the validity of the New Order's permits is itself a violation of the commandments of The Code.

Is this really a route you wish to travel? Or can I expect 10m and an apology in the mail?


Hard thought this may seem to believe. There are some here wo do not subscribe to those commandments - and therefore do not feel obliged to pay the penalties or permits which it requires.

The great thing about this game is that whether you feel obliged or not, you will explode all the same.

Let's take a step back here: the Code is the distilled essence of emergent gameplay. It is a document designed to spark content by forcing players to choose a side. You are free to choose whichever side you want based on whatever notions you hold as befits a sandbox game like Eve, but a side you must choose. CCP has given you more than enough tools to defend yourself if you choose to play the game as a subversive rebel, but equally viable is deciding to support the New Order and get yourself a permit and mine compliantly. Many miners choose this and cheerfully buy into the fun. But whatever you choose, you have to accept the consequences of your actions.

I welcome back the OP, but honestly this is old hat by now. Highsec is under the jurisdiction of James 315 now and has been for over 4 years and while you can choose to not buy a permit, our agents have done a great job cleaning up highsec and forcing highsec miners to follow the Code whether they consent or not. Autopiloting is all but unheard of now while highsec miners have overwhelmingly retreated to Skiffs and Procurers as the Code commands. Play by our rules or you risk ending up another statistic.
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2016-12-30 11:28:25 UTC
I find the whole CODE thing silly, but the fun kind of silly. Like, going to a carnival and getting your face painted by an artist sort of silly.

I've ganked miners, but I didn't cite any reason beyond "because I can". I've never done it to upset someone, promote or disrupt some behavior, generate a profit, or anything like that. I'm not in it for the tears either. - one guy I ganked complained that he couldn't afford a better DCU (he had a meta 0, not even a named one), so I gave him 10 mil to replace his ship and buy better equipment.

I like it as a change of pace and a feat of discipline. Perhaps yes, a gank is down to equations, but there's still a lot of variables and a lot that can go wrong. Trying to track down idle miners, trying to find them in systems with a low enough security rating to give you time to pull off the gank, trying to scan them without them noticing or getting suspicious, calculating the EHP of their fit, clandestinely making bookmarks, try to warp in and stick the landing perfectly and hope the guy hasn't moved in the meantime...it's a lot of hassle and there's a reason I do it so very infrequently. Heck the only reason I got my sec status so low isn't from ganking a lot; it's from accidentally podding a guy.

So citing a "code of conduct" seems entirely superfluous to me. But I won't frown upon people doing their RP thing; it's their game and their way to have fun. My fun is being able to pull it off when I have the patience for it.
Izchadie
Ministerstvo na otbranata
Ore No More
#40 - 2016-12-30 11:45:55 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Questioning the validity of the New Order's permits is itself a violation of the commandments of The Code.

Is this really a route you wish to travel? Or can I expect 10m and an apology in the mail?


Now I know how the female "IT" looks like Shocked I'l buy permit from you anytime ma'am. Just don't come out of the closet!