EVE General Discussion

That's even worse. The truth is that our subscriptions created dev resources that are getting flushed down the toilet. The semantics tell us "the resources you players have contributed are being flushed as a rule instead of as an exception to the rule."

you really don't know jack **** about business, do you?

lol you think that qualifies as a flame, or that i lost my temper. that's so cute.

let me clue you into something about business. they have to spend money on any project before they make money on that project. WoD and DUST are new projects, in that spending money first phase. EVE is a mature, ongoing project, in the making money phase.

a company having projects in both of those phases doesn't mean the people paying for the one in the "making phase" and having resources taken from theirs and given to the others. In fact that is straight out what Fallout was pointing out, and hence why i quoted it.

No EVE devs have been yoinked by DUST or WoD.

TLDR: You're paying for Eve, CCP using some of their money, plus new investment, on other games doesn't constitute taking from you

Nor does posting crap about how all the money that comes in one income stream should stay in that stream.

There is this thing out there, its called the REAL WORLD. Where businesses grow and diversify. Where they invest money made from one product, to develop a new product... and make MORE MONEY. Its amazing!

Contrary to the popular belief of teenagers everywhere, money does not magically appear in mommy and daddy's wallet.

Any self-respecting adult that believes that money just appears out of nowhere to make new investments should be drug into a back alley and beaten senseless with a box of plastic spoons.

edit: Also, you should realize that when WoD and Dust 514 make it off the ground and actually start making money, that CCP will have a larger revenue stream, and be able to invest more in *all* of their games, right?

there is this thing called "common-sense" ...

it is quite natural that the best interest of a company and its customers don't overlap all the time.

sometimes what is best for the company is not what is best for its (current) customers - and it is only natural that both sides will try to tilt the scales in their respective favor.

I don't care whether CCP will survive EVE or not.

I care whether it is likely that the cash inflow from WoD and DUST (once they have been released) will be used to prop up an aging game (EVE) or whether it will mostly be used to reinvest into those games and/or develop new titles.

I started playing WoW this summer and it is quite obvious that there are desirable overhauls/features that will simply never happen because the game is too old to justify that sort of investment. By the time WoD will be released I expect EVE to be in a similar state.

So while I can understand that it is good for CCP to diversify I just don't see how it is good for me that resources are diverted from EVE while EVE itself is unlikely to see a substantial dividend from these investments.

But maybe you'd like to explain and tell me why I should side with CCP in this matter (instead of lobbying for my own best interests)?

You might have a point if that is what people were actually arguing.

The funny part is where customers think they can get off telling the company how to spend their money and human resources, all the while grinding, scamming and botting to save money on paying subscriptions; and/or RMTing to pay their own bills and buy Toyota Corollas.

And then there was the time that I learned to read the whole thread, and what was being argued. The argument that "it's okay that we only have 2 teams working on EVE because that's more than we started with 20 years ago" is fallacious. The truth that "We continue to pay for EVE, so we expect it to continue to get better" is a reasonable expectation that has essentially stopped being met in the past 2 years. An argument that wasted funds are wasted before they are used or after they are used does not change that they are being wasted.

End of the day its all about the core product getting appropriate resources so that people don't feel the game they are paying subs for is being used to milk the cash cows without ongoing development. I don't think anybody is arguing that ALL of Eves subs money should go to Eve development, just a decent proportion that allows the continuing development of the game for everyone's enjoyment.

But trying to argue that because there are WOD devs and DUST devs that means that resources are not being taken from Eve is a bit flaky argumentation since they obviously are paid salaries on Eve subs since their own products do not yet make money.

Ultimately - if Core Eve gets proper development resources again and we get back to decent expansions and neglected features are properly revisited and upgraded then nobody is going to begrudge a proportion of our subs going to fund new development in other games.

Its all about proportion.

The first few responses to the OP are correct. EVE is the main thing generating income for CCP right now. Eve dies, so does the CCP and all of the spin off projects. So it's in the CCP's interest (whatever you think about businesses) to ensure that Eve is successful.