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Are mining permits actually a thing?

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HadleysHope
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-12-30 02:43:40 UTC
Just returned to the game after a lonngg time away and got blown up by a guy who mailed me saying he'd done it because I didnt have a mining permit.

I mean I guess if we have to buy them then fair enough but from what I have read so far these permits can be cancelled if you exhibit 'bot-aspirant' behavior (which apparently I did). I immediately tried to warp out but im flying a mining barge so....

Anyways, I get that being jumped is part of the game so is it worth buying a permit if it can be cancelled via a spurious loophole. What do you fine people do?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2016-12-30 02:46:27 UTC
They are extorting you. Just tank your mining barge to make yourself a much less of an attractive target to dessie gankers. If they try bumping, move that darn ship and orbit a rock.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

HadleysHope
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-12-30 02:48:46 UTC
Appreciated. Thanks for that.
Sark Nosha
Nosha Trading Empire
#4 - 2016-12-30 02:49:32 UTC
Almost always its a scam - and many groups that give out permits will just attack the people that buy them anyway. Save your money and just fly smarter.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#5 - 2016-12-30 03:12:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Pix Severus
If you buy a mining permit, actually read the Code and follow what it teaches, you will never lose a mining ship in highsec again.

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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2016-12-30 03:16:30 UTC
No it's not a thing. Don't buy one.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-12-30 03:25:25 UTC
It certainly is a thing.
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#8 - 2016-12-30 04:08:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
Pix Severus wrote:
If you buy a mining permit, actually read the Code and follow what it teaches, you will never lose a mining ship in highsec again.


1. You're an idiot
2. You cannot guarantee that ships will never be lost. CODE isn't the only threat, so, unless that permit is also paying for protection than it is worthless.
3. Paying for people not to attack you is generally not a good policy. Especially when they might just shoot you anyway.
4. Paying ISK to CODE is indulging their fantasy of actually expressing dominion in New Eden.
5. See point 1.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#9 - 2016-12-30 04:23:34 UTC
Oh dear.

@lunettelulu7

Pix Severus
Empty You
#10 - 2016-12-30 04:37:32 UTC
Marcus Binchiette wrote:
1. Your an idiot


That's You're, not your.

Learn to speak English before you call other people idiots.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2016-12-30 04:38:38 UTC
Black Pedro
Mine.
#12 - 2016-12-30 04:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
The mining permit is only part of following the New Halaima Code of Conduct. It is absolutely required for you to legally mine in New Order territory, but it isn't a license to bot or mine in a bot-aspirant fashion. You still need to respect the other rules which are there not only for the miner's own good, but the good of highsec in general.

There are thousands of miners who have bought a mining permit and follow the Code and thus mine unmolested in highsec. In fact, there is not a single case of a permit holder mining in a compliant manner ever losing their ship to gankers.

You can pay the ludicrously low permit fee (10M/ISK per year? Seriously who considers that more than pocket change?) and mine in a compliant fashion knowing you are on the side of good guys, or you can declare yourself a rebel and be just another target for New Order agents. The choice is yours really. Either way the Code wins as it always does.
Sark Nosha
Nosha Trading Empire
#13 - 2016-12-30 05:02:34 UTC
I have always found that trusting in the good nature of anyone - especially in Eve is a terrible idea. Mine with one eye on local and d-scan - you will be just fine.
CODE and the dozens of other organisations that try to set us scams can't protect you against all of the different groups that Gank. So unless you plan on buying permits for all, save your money and if it gets that bad, give that same money to some mercenaries to war dec them on your behalf.
Amanda Creire-Geng
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-12-30 05:11:20 UTC
HadleysHope wrote:
Anyways, I get that being jumped is part of the game so is it worth buying a permit if it can be cancelled via a spurious loophole. What do you fine people do?


Set CODE and other known suicide gankers to red standings, then mine in sparsely populated systems with a well tanked ship, and keep an eye on local. If it looks like they're bringing in the heavy guns, you just warp to station and go do something else for a while.

Or, since you're gonna be watching local like a hawk, just mine in low-sec and take advantage of the more profitable ores there, assuming you can handle the logistics. Gneiss often spawns in anomaly sites and is nearly twice as worth anything you can mine in high-sec, and if you pick the right system you'll be getting maybe one possibly hostile local every couple hours at most.

But whatever you do, don't waste money on a permit. Those corps are full of people with a very loose interpretation of what their own rules mean, and will happily bend them to justify a gank if convenient at the time.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-12-30 05:41:35 UTC
HadleysHope wrote:
Just returned to the game after a lonngg time away and got blown up by a guy who mailed me saying he'd done it because I didnt have a mining permit.

- returns after long hiatus
- first thing to do - mine
- uses badly fitted mining barge (no tank)
- gets suicided
- comes to forums talking about New Order

.... why it is almost always the same story? Can't you guys create another one to remind about yourself? Big smile

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-12-30 06:02:04 UTC
CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.


DMC

Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2016-12-30 06:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Abyss Azizora
Just properly tank your barge/orca and pay attention when mining, and never worry about this again. Don't buy anything, it's just a simple extortion scam, and wouldn't be honored anyway even if you bought it. (Just like any ransom demand in eve.)

CODE used to be a very useful organization vastly reducing the mining bots in eve, hell I used to donate isk/ships and a catalyst alt to them to keep up the good fight, but these days it's just a miner ganking corp in general. They went from cure to cancer in relatively short order sadly.
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-12-30 06:28:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tisiphone Dira
Questioning the validity of the New Order's permits is itself a violation of the commandments of The Code.

Is this really a route you wish to travel? Or can I expect 10m and an apology in the mail?

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2016-12-30 06:59:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Ancaladron
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.


DMC


That seems like a bit of hyperbole. If they are really sending racist messages they and their mains should be banned if not muted for offensive language. Seems like a fairly simple thing to screenshot and report for unless I've been gone longer than I thought and people are allowed to say whatever they want now lol.
Yolandar
CSR Strategic Reserves
Citizen's Star Republic
#20 - 2016-12-30 07:09:29 UTC
I use anti-botaspirant, unscented. Keeps me feeling fresh after a long day in the belts.
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