Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its our only counter to local so local is very much part of the discussion.

I always get a little amazed at people saying that the difficulty of roaming is all down to local, but other game changes have a part in all of this, I concentrated on sub caps before getting a carrier, so I only started using a carrier when I was in IRC, it was around that time that people discovered that carrier ratting was a lot more efficient with Sentry drones and I lost count of the number of carriers blown up in Cobalt Edge because they took too long to recover drones and get into warp, I also saw just how patchy intel was, so my corp which used a single system actually put scouts one system out, no free lunch for us I am afraid...

Was it the fault of local that CCP nerfed the use of sentrry drones with carriers? Nope it was because of massed carrier swarms and assigned sentry drones, but what it did was make carriers less vulnerable because they could go back to being aligned if used as fighter boats, I never used sentry drones and neither did my corp mates, but in a single stroke that killed all those plush easy kills that used to happen, of course people just blame local....

For the love of God, how can your literally write that without being in some sort of cognitive dissonance?

You admit local is probably not working as intended (which I'll admit is not always a bad thing, but not always a good thing either, the use of the vindicator and webbing to catch jump freighters is an example of not working as intended being bad). You also admit it is overpowered. Then you say it is not part of the cloaking discussion....when it is local that tells you there is an AFK cloaker present (or even a regular cloaker). That is, local that has led to AFK cloaking. But it is not part of the discussion? Seriously?

AFK cloaking and local are intertwined, and changing one without changing the other is likely going to cause imbalance, not balance.

Now, please consider that last sentence carefully. It means we can't just change local. That is "off the table". Similarly, we can't just change cloaks. That too is, "off the table". So we change them together and hopefully we get more people out in space and more people caught by roaming gangs, and with more roaming gangs, more defense fleets. More fun, more excitement.

I get the impression that they think that they should be able to get a kill on someone who does it right 100% of the time, it is quite laughable to be honest.

What is wrong with having to have people make an error, do they have to have it given to them along with a dummy and a pair of nappies. This was the reason a great friend of mine left the game, as far as he was concerned hunting had been dumbed down and made too easy so he no longer saw Eve as a challenge as a hunter.

Why do you keep talking to your alt like this? Everyone and their brother knows what you're trying to do

I get the impression you couldn't represents another person's argument honestly if your life depended on it.

What are you on about. Going AFK after cloaking can be done in space where local is not present. Why are you assuming that the two are directly linked when the cloaking module is a global module in all types of space while your just referring to the space that only concerns the 20% of players that can be impacted by the local + AFK cloaking terrorizing mechanic. The two are not directly linked where one would not be possible without the other. Its only one directional, locals only counter is AFK camping but AFK cloaking can be done without local. If you want a counter to local then OA is the solution, not keeping a broken mechanic as cloaking in the form where you can go AFK in.

I think you said it best. Same idiots who want to provocatively start arguments cause they get something out of it. I totally agree that it would just turn null sec barren and reduce population drastically if half the stuff these idiots suggest were to happen. Engagements aren't entitled, its earned. Cloaks should help not give you the right to get the jump on people.

The problem is that you did not read what I said in earlier posts on this subject, and what I said just a bit earlier on carriers is also very important, what do you need to get hold of slow to warp ships, or those waiting for fighters, an interceptor, that is beneath you WH players isn't it, so cry more please. People would log off sabres and nab them that way with stop bubbles, so warping directly to stations was not a good idea, we used to have a number of POS's setup to prevent this type of loss, but you just expect to have a WH open up into the system and get kills in a DPS ship such as a Proteus well tough shite, act like a tard get results like a tard.

Not really. I want it gone because its stupid having a system where a player have the ability to stay behind enemy lines indefinitely without effort. Cloaking impacts more then just null, basing the whole argument behind the one and only reason makes me think its justifiably reasonable removing that ability. The impact will be minimal for the global gained throughout eve, in all types of space for the betterment of general game balance reasons and overall game play perspective from more angles then the one single gameplay area. A minority will simply have to suffer by change and I would rather that be to the type of players that justify AFK along with PVP.