EVE General Discussion

well if the other person is a player, and you are a player, then surely it must be pvp

if you have a chance to buy a damsel well guess where that came from

1. Yes it is harassment.
2. Stealing the mission related item is also harassment.
3. Due to this harassment provoking interaction and a response between the players this would qualify as a PvP interaction
4. Yes there are ways of defeating the thief, or procuring the item by other means
5. Killing an MTU... See point one.
6. Why? Because you can... and because sometimes there is some really tasty loot inside the MTU. It is often well worth stealing.

7. Should these actions be banned? No. This is a classical PvP interaction inside a free world system. These actions should not be banned - and next time someone does it, fit yourself a warp scrambler and defend your ******* MTU you doppy ****.

I once got in on a Proteus km . This person was getting the lvl1 Aethur Drone mission with alts then running them with a character who could fly a Proteus. I was trying to steal the Hive mind Embryo. He shot the Aethur Hive Queen wreck and got criminal flagged so I started slagging him while concord did the bulk of the work.

In his attempt to deprive me of the item (If I can't have it no one can style) he forgot that mission rats belong to the person assigned the mission no matter who kills the rat. So even though he killed the queen the wreck belonged to his alt. Fun times.

With the MTU thing, just be glad CCP fixed it so drones on aggressive don't volunteer to attack them for attacking the MTU anymore (At least I think they fixed that.). Lot of bling fit lvl4 missioners fell victim to this in the first few days of the MTUs introduction.

I bore of wanna-be internet 'tough guys' telling other people 'Eve is not for them' just because they disagree on something. My take? Yes, poster, 'Eve is for you' up and until you personally decide that it isn't - no sooner, and no later.

Now, on to the topic at hand. You should be advised that there is quite a bit of douche-baggery in this game, perpetrated by quite a number of associated douche bags. Basically, the deal is, there are sociopaths who play this game. Most of them probably don't act the way in real life that they do in this game (they'd punched in the face on a regular basis), but anonymity protects them.

I don't mind PvP at all, or what I'd consider 'rational' game play. For instance, stealing from you could be considered entirely rational. So could blowing up your ship for some particular reason. But I often see simply 'mindless' shooting of anything that moves for no reason whatsoever, and totally irrational gameplay. Either that, or worse - people purposefully being douchebags.

The other week I was undocking out of a station in a shuttle. Some guy camping behind the station in a tornado just one-shotted my shuttle and pod (no implants, heh). I respawned in a nearby station and thought 'I wonder why he did that?' and decided to study this particular clone. So I went back to the station, docked, made it my home station, and undocked again. BOOM! Respawned inside the station, undocked again, BOOM! I kept this up for an hour, just wondering how long he'd go, and what motivated him. After an hour or so, he left. I guess he blew me up well over 100 times. Did he profit? No. Was he achieving some strategic objective? No. He was just a ******, or worse, a douchebag.

After that episode I considered advertising a service catering to retards of this type. "Come blow me up! Hundreds of times! All day long! On these particular days (listed)! All for the low price of X!" Might could make money with this idea, if the perpetrators are just mindless simpletons shooting at anything that moves. But I wouldn't have takers if the perpetrators are sociopaths who simply enjoy being douchebags.

Anyway, am I for banning this kind of stuff? Nah, not necessary. We don't need to police any and every action that there is. Just toughen-up, my friend. Next time someone shoots your MTU you could take a page out of my book. Buy another one and stick it in the same place, let him blow that one up. Then do it again, and again - see how long he lasts. Of course that could get expensive, but....

Are you telling me that playing a game within the rules of the game is sociopathic? By your logic, chess players are sociopaths because the capture queens. Capturing a queen in real life will get you much, much more than a punch in the face! Now, if you mean taunting or insulting the other player, sure, that's wrong - and against the TOS/EULA I think. But shooting an MTU for no particular reason at all? That's 100% allowed per the rules, just like capturing a pawn for no particular reason is 100% allowed per the rules of chess, and neither action is indicative of sociopathic behavior.

No. Blanket stating that 'playing a game within the rules of the game is sociopathic' would be dumb. Blanket stating 'playing a game within the rules of the game is NOT sociopathic' would also be dumb. I blanket stated neither. The proposition of 'sociopathic' depends on the particulars at hand.

I've witnessed sociopathic behavior in this game - meaning, in the context of real life, anyone acting that way would be called a sociopath and no one would dispute it. And yes - it was completely within the rules. I've also witnessed completely non-sociopathic behavior completely within the rules. You could also have both propositions (sociopathic and non-sociopathic) outside the rules.

Now, on to the question at hand. Did I call the shooting of an MTU sociopathic? No I did not, and nowhere in my reply to the OP can you find such. I don't know the particulars of his situation, I merely informed him that there ARE sociopaths who play this game, and who will cause him grief and trouble simply because they 'get off on it' and for no other reason. So he'd better HTFU. In fact you find these types in real-life as well, so you'd better HTFU there too.

Come on, lets get real. People who brag about 'drinking the tears of others' and who are actually serious and enjoy it (vs playing an 'internet tough guy' or possibly just role-playing) are sociopaths. You see this all the time on these forums.

Note that nowhere in my reply did I say to ban anything.

That's true. But you did mention one particular behavior - the sniping Tornado that killed you over and over, leading you to believe he's either an asterisk or a feminine hygiene product. To me, by undocking over and over and letting him kill you over and over it's clear the action couldn't have bothered you any. Based on your description, you were more curious about the behavior than upset about it. So how is somebody doing something to you that you didn't dislike, and you specifically allowed them to do, indicitave of anything sociopathic or feminine-ly hygienic? He didn't achieve anything of strategic value by shooting you, you didn't achieve anything of strategic value by undocking over and over - so why don't you think you are just as bad a person as you believe he was?

Griefing, insulting, taunting, 'bonus room' crap, trying to make somebody else feel bad in some way - yeah, all that stuff is bad. And it's against the TOS/EULA. Shooting an MTU, shooting a noob ship that undocks over and over, gatecamping, highsec suicide ganking, blobbing, BLOPsing, WH evictions, scamming, market manipulation, site stealing, can flipping, ECM - these are all known and allowed actions within this PvP game, and are no more immoral behaviors than capturing a queen in chess or getting kinged in checkers are immoral behaviors.

I'm sorry Omar. You know I have the utmost respect for you, but I simply cannot take you seriously in that hat.

Here I am just wondering what the hell a "MTU" is.

Half of Eve is acquisitions. The other half is getting away with it.