EVE General Discussion

Just a simple question because i find it surely is....

And what about stealing the mission related item?
Both are not "PVP actions" they are just intended to ruin the mission for the missionrunner....and this is no pvp
Sure one can "rebuy" the mission critical object....even in space from the thief....

But this is one of the things that really goes to far in my eyes and should be banned.....

And killing a mtu?
I mean...why?
Just because you can?
Great reasoning.....at least wait if someone picks it up......

Both actions are -as said- no pvp and should stop because there is no other sense in it than the pure definition of harrasment.....

EVE may just not be the game for you. That's PvP content, not harassment.

Your incessant whining and lack of intellectual effort to understand/internalize/research EVE mechanics and ethos is getting tiresome...

1) No, stealing loot or attacking an MTU is not harassment.

2) I have frequently had my loot stolen, and have stolen loot from others. This is allowed in EVE, as congruent with the principles of player competition/conflict throughout the game.

3) Attacking an MTU is a baiting action, to prompt you to attack them, thus freeing them according to HS mechanics to attack your ship without CONCORD intervention. Simply fly to your MTU, scoop it up, and continue whatever you where doing. If they attack you, CONCORD will wreck them.

4) These will incur a Suspect Timer on the antagonist, allowing you and all others to freely aggress them for 15mins after the last action of its kind, as well as destroy their pod without sec status loss.

5) All of the above constitute PVP action. You are fundamentally failing to understand what PVP is.
PVP is conflict/competition/interaction between players, as compared to the same vs NPC/AI entities.
It is more than just ship destruction, it is pervasive throughout all of EVE, in many forms.

6) View the first link in my sig to help you visualize the paradigm between what PVP and PVE is in EVE.

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Ive never said this before, but Im very close to telling you that you may be fundamentally incompatible with this game.
You seem unwilling or incapable of internalizing its systems and ethos, understanding why they exist, vs your own prejudices and false expectations.

You are not adapting/integrating into the EVE community and game, instead you are expecting EVE and everyone else to adapt/integrate into your subjective preferences.

This game does not match your subjective view on values as superimposed from your IRL.
This is a virtual environment with different systemic rules.
Rather than seeing the lack of constraints as liberating, you perceive them as harassment and personal offense.
Rather than perceiving it as opportunity, you perceive it as restriction. And then you want others constrained.

That is a self-imposed cage conceived by your own mind and values, not EVE, nor anyone else in it.

EVE does not limit you. You are doing that yourself, to yourself.

that you can't see a reason doesn't mean there is none.

The reason for stealing a mission related item and reselling to the mission runner has verz simple reason. Profit. There is no such thing as stealing as any item is only truly yours after you bank it in a station.

Shooting an MTU also has very good reasons. Again it can be done for a profit as you can scoop the contents. However most of the times the reason is provoking an attack. Shooting an MTU is not illegal as it is not sanction by the CONCORD police force. Instead the attacker gets a suspect timer (flashing yellow) allowing you to retaliate without CONCORD intervention.

However the attacker will most likely ba a PvP player in a ship fitted for PvP whereas you don't seem to be one and are sitting an a ship fitted for PvE. This means the odds aren't in your favour and you should probably not shoot at the offender.

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

This should be called "PvC:" Player versus Cattle.

I'll leave it to you to figure out which category you belong to.

Happy Holidays!

You agree to anything going when you log into the New Eden universe. They have a vague defense against what is real harassment or not.



Your definition of harassment is not the kind of harassment CCP is looking for. If it was ongoing personal insults or attacks, I think that's more what they are looking at keeping policed.




By using this software you are also agreeing to all of the EULA.

Sorry about the MTU!

Killing MTUs surely is not harassment. Anyone can scoop their own MTU at any time and ignore the flashy yellow ship on their overview. Make no mistake though, this is PVP, and working entirely as intended. There is nothing stopping you from making friends and having them come help kill him, running your missions in PVP fits, or learning how to PVP in this PVP game. Your missions are not protected areas. If they were, they would be instanced, but this isn't WoW, it's EVE Online.

Also, people who leave MTUs lying around clutter up my dscan. It's annoying and I will kill them whenever I see them.

This is a hard game. Not 'hard' as in difficult, but 'hard' as in 'for people who eat concrete'. You need to harden up, and adapt to it, if you want to enjoy it. And you will enjoy it if you adapt, I guarantee it.

MTU killing is not harassment. It is content creation.

In Eve that's pretty much the only reason that matters. The rest of it is fluff and justification.

Welcome to the world of emergent gameplay, where players are allowed to do whatever they want, including things that don't fit neatly into your little categories of "PvP" and "Not PvP".

(Spoilers: Everything in EVE is PvP, whether you want it or not.)