EVE General Discussion

I completely agree with your idea.
I think CCP should institute it as soon as they make tech moons only spawn in 0.8 space or higher, so you can't anchor a POS at one.

I agree but I must also say:

1. Good luck with this, M' Lady.
2. In before the incursion rage.

In the meantime, we'll just have to have fun engaging those perfectly legitimate PVE war targets known as Kundalini Manifest.

Giggity Giggity at this idea .. (Rubs hands)

i doubt you understand how moons work but incursion farming (70M ISK/hour average) and a tech moon (less than 10m isk/hour, with the added effort of having to fuel the tower, empty the silos and haul the moon minerals to Jita for sale) are two very different things

the more you know

Wow at the incursioner rage already! :)

Seriously great idea!

Would have multiple good affects

1: Incursion runners are forced to fit full tanks, aka no more double sensor booster shield tanked webbing BSes with lows full of gyros.
2: As for the 'oh just drop 2 falcon' well, there is a module called ECCM, also the DPS ships can call them primary..... as can the rats..... No logi support and splatt go the falcons! And any decent combat AI should regard falcons as threat #1 ;)
3: Encourages co-operation as well as competition between incursion runners 'Hey mate, we get attacked, you come help and visa versa' or full blown battles between rival incursion gangs.
4: ONLY inside the dead-space would be concord free, you can always bring your own falcons to sit there cloaked and then jam any tacklers that come in (assuming the rats don't decide to insta-pop them and no-one in your fleet brought ECM drones or neuts oh and your entire team are retards ;) )
5: Encourages less 'shiny' ship setups meaning the lower skilled/ISK'ed players can still play. In the current incursions you are basically not wanted without a Tech 3, faction BS or marauder.
6: Gives players a 'taste' of fleet PvP without the risks or time commitment of null-sec (although the required time commitment is greatly exaggerated), once you are out of the dead-space pocket, you are concord protected again.
7: Great training for players looking to head out to null at some point, teaching them to watch local and d-scan and how to use them.

It would require a reducing in some of the enemies DPS however, but only by 5-10% on say the OTAs and similar.

Would also bring the risk in line with the reward and reduce the competition. In a un-contested or lightly contested zone you can still make 80-100 mil /hour with T1 bses and logis.

"Hello, you have reached CONCORD Constellation Command. Due to Sansha activity in your area, we regret that our response time may be longer than normal. Para saber cómo te van a ganked en español, pulse dos."

TLDR: Start it as PVE, but as CONCORD has to deal with the 'damage' from the invasion they are less likely to respond to the attacks and it can become more of a PVP event.

I like the idea of greater risk for incursions. My opinion though is that it should be a reduced response time based on the state of the Incursion. Initially CONCORD will cover the assault runners while they begin breaking it down (full protection). However, after the mother ship appears they become more involved with local affairs as the capsuleers are in a position to deal with the remaining problem. CONCORDS reaction time to a hostile event would be longer and longer after the spawn of the mothership. Maybe 1 second delay for every 4 minutes that the mother ship is up.

So an hour after the mother ship spawns CONCORD reaction time would be 15 seconds. After 2 hours it would be 30 seconds. There would also need to be a modification to the GMs rules that escaping from CONCORD in an Incursion system is NOT an exploit. Sec status hits for killing people in Incursion zones is lower than normal.

Incursion players still get to blast it out with CONCORD support (team work)
Gank crews can help summon the mother ship if they want (team work)
Once the mother ship appears, an organised group has to move quick as the clock ticks up on CONCORD's response time.
Gankers can try to delay the mother ship kill fleet to improve the delay on the CONCORD response.
If the mother ship is not defeated within 24 hours of spawning it will disband and not respawn for a few days (encourage players to do them or the reward goes away).
CONCORD's use of warp scramblers and webs would be more limited, but would gradually stack (Give PVP players, or angry PVE players, a chance to do hit and run raids).

I guess I am trying to find a middle ground here. I think PVE incusions should be permitted, but they should not be farmable. In this situation, if they move fast enough (and the spawn timer might need to be adjusted for various timezones to get a chance at them) they can get another one, but if they try and farm them there is not only a risk to the PVE players (PVP), but also a spawning penalty for not doing them.

Thinly veiled, transparent, 6 of one, half-dozen of another. I never said it made the entirety of Hisec a gank zone, I get completely what you are saying. What I find to be both ironic and disturbing is that you are proposing an e-z mode. You've always been a champion to me of what the spirit of Eve was, a game that isn't easy...you know, the whole "Eve is Hard" thing. This idea, while on paper sounds kind of cool, in execution is just putting a lie to all that. Besides, I think we all know that after a few ganking incidents that it would end up like Losec.

Like I said before, Incursions do need to be fixed direly, but to temporarily suspend anything resembling law and order just for the sake of a little pew and some lulz would cause more harm than good in the long run. Besides all that, I can't imagine the coding required to isolate a pocket of a hisec system for a period of time would be as simple as writing a post such as this. Most likely you'd end up with a nasty bug, a crapload of petitions and a whole lot of headaches for the Petition-Reading crew. Personally, I think more tears would be had by popping those Moms and thus ending the Infinite Sansha Spawn and angering a whole lot of Isk farmers.

And for the record, Wintergrasp is a zone in WoW were PvP is in effect 24/7, whether or not it's on a PvE server or PvP. So it doesn't matter if you are minding your own business mining a node or gathering an herb, if there is the enemy faction there, you'll get ganked. Thus, the place is all but deserted at any moment short of the bi-hourly Battle Royale for control of the region, and even then, I'm not sure how packed it is. True, not a lot of relevence to Eve as a whole, but a ready example of what this idea boils down to.

I remember a few month back, people whinging and complaining about Mission Runners making 80-100m Isk/hour - and no-one stirs in guilt when you trot out the old "20m" isk/hr number? Hell - *that* is what the mission runner deniers quoted!



Too funny.

Actually, your logic is astounding and has forced me to agree with you. +1

Isn't that the point? Or one of them, anyway.

+1 on the OP idea!