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CCP actually makes more money off of bots than your average Eve player, as someone paid more $$$ for the Plex than they would have for a month of Eve.

Run down of what would happen if Bots were banned in eve.

1. Massive Price rise in pretty much everything.
2. Items would have value making eve intresting, Ie ''I lost a battle ship meh'' would be replacedwith '' Dam, I lost a ship that hurt. and I might not bea ble to afford another one''
3. Adrenilne rush would return to game, people might actually say ''wow eve is a great game check it out, it's a real E-sport!'' Instead of ''eve is **** its basically WOW in space and btw have you seen that new space MMO coming out it looks amazaing.''
4. Botters will whine on forum.
5. Botting allinces will start to lose SOV and fail
6. Trades such as inventing, mining, missioning and anything that's not allready scripted will start giving massive rewards to players who complete them.
7. People will see eve as challenging intresting game that has unique content instead of the sub par WOW clone that it is now.
8 Player subscription will increasce.
9. PLEX purchases will increasce to replace lost isk as items are now more expensive.
10. Game time card prices would fall due to increasced PLEX purchases.
11. CCP would grow as a company.
12. demand for new content would decreasce as it is now harder to complete quickly acheive and thus get bored of.

Pretty much win win but hey ho CCP management fails hard and is reluctenet to ban bots as they can't see past this financial week,

One day CCP might get liqudated and a well managaed firm might buy the rights to eve and make it the ground breaking game it deserves to be. Lets hope for a CCP bankruptcy notice in the financial times.

Malcanis law would immediately hit.

Apply it to each point you'll see it's plain of truth. A+B= ?

@Poster above and Cyrillic comment: search a little bit on the internet to figure out the RMT sites selling EVE goods of all kinds are 90% GB/USA
Embarrassing when you read your comment again right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWvHcoqru7I

RMT business is not just one layer deep - the guy running the website to sell you things is not necessarily the guy running the bots/sourcing the ISK.

An issue that I see on this initiative is that it promotes adverse selection.

As I posted (and you did not like it, sorry) in your other thread, you give too little warning to legit miners who happen to be in the middle of a fill (that can last up to 18 mins).

The result is that you will kill more legit miners than you should.

Now, the legit miners only stay there for 1-2 maybe 3 hours a day therefore their recover time after a loss is 8+ times as long as a bot.

Therefore:

- Legit miner is generally a risk averse "peaceful" person who will see his efforts destroyed and emotional impact much bigger than vs a bot.

- The botter sees a ship / pod loss as an operational cost (not counting the crappy implants they use), the legit miner see it as "evil done on me little working ant" and will generally lose more expensive implants (some mining implants are sensibly expensive) because it's his only pilot and he is "growing" him with much more care.

- Legit miner will therefore stop mining. Botter will just reduce activity instead, he will put you on his contact list for auto-log off, he will just enable the bots when you seem not online.

End result: botter will still be there (at reduced rate and increased cost, sure), legit miners will drop in numbers instead.


This is the long version of why I told in the other thread that you needed to give more preadvice. Negative experiences impact about 2.5 times as heavily as positive ones. Humans get visibly affected, bots don't.

I don't really consider myself a miner, but on a slow day you can find me out in the belts in my Osprey parked next to my giant secure container.

But I do work with real living miners that actually stay at their keyboards while working.

For them and myself I feel I must respond: FYYFF

Seriously ?

You think the small additional revenue (direct or indirect) from CPU-cycle-hogging bots (CCP did post some server metrics with regards to usage per logged-in account, and the bots were using disproportionately higher amounts of server power compared to a regular player) that also enrage legitimate players with their presence making some leave earlier and others not be recommended EVE at all by existing subbers (thus reducing overall revenue CCP makes) would be an even remotely good enough reason for CCP to *NOT* want to ban all bots sooner rather than later, as soon as they are sure there's an actual bot "behind the wheel" (as opposed to a really boring or really bored or maybe even a little bit silly but otherwise legitimate player) ?!?

Hey, I have some T3 tinfoil hats to sell you.
The T2s are no good for this magnitude of... thingy.
And let's not even talk about the plain vanilla T1 tinfoilhat, that's so last millennium.

You should NOT hurry and attribute to malice something that can easily be explained by either understaffing, lack of sufficient training, wasted time on compliance to oodles of bizarre internal regulations you don't fully understand, or a random combination of those things - because it sure sounds like you are (hurrying to attribute to malice...)